A long fruitless crusade

[matrixmann]

Regarding the zeitgeisty mumbo jumbo surrounding a 16-year-old girl from Sweden named Greta Thunberg, it's always good to remember the past and bring it upon the table: There have been other environmental activists before, acting even more fierce than her and following a recognizable agenda instead of a plain social media hype that still lacks

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[vit_r]

Do you remember our conversation on DW?

How does the "bad" look in Switzerland, if I may ask?

I know what the German circumstances look like, and you get to hear the decisive bits here and there what the story's like in other countries...

My son has written a book "Mobbingtagebuch" (Kindle e-book)

Maybe we make a burnable version before Christmas.

[matrixmann]

I remember. But I wonder how someone ends up here on my territory who needed to tell me in every possible way that I'm dumb and have no idea about anything?

About the subject: The story of Manser occured to me rather recently while watching this fuss about climate strikes and so on, involving Greta's persona.
I have my very own view watching this for particular reasons - and I cannot help but say over and over again: "What are you making this fuss about? You really think you're the first to claim this topic? How naive! The youth in your brains and the social media hype makes you think like you're the most important subjects in the world - that's all about it. There have been others before, and they bit on granite because this system is pretty strong and doesn't want to change. If you really wanna change it, you've got to come up with some more than just throwing yourself on the ground and scream until you get your lollipop, figuratively speaking

[vit_r]

It seems, you do not understand my goals. I do not need more than one sentence to state that someone is dumb. It was interesting for me to understand what do you really think and why do you think in such ways.

My point was that you do not consider some information or do not know about it. I simply have informed you that some of this information is now available.

And I fully agree with your conclusions about Greta's followers.

[matrixmann]

To me it seems like, even though you witnessed the demise of your own child under such conditions, you did not understand the nature of what bullying and systematic psychological destruction of a self does to a person mentally who endured it first hand

[vit_r]

You are not aware of the fact that you had tried to force your point of view in my blog. And you did not notice the moment when the best solution was to stop with the simple statement of the existence of some differences in understanding

[matrixmann]

Okay, in this point I have to back down. I know myself I can be not the best person to have discussions with, depending on the topic... Even the more it is in topics which I have connection with or where I think I spotted something that everyone else seems to be missing.

"The world is terrifying" - well, let me say this from the perspective of someone who thinks he knows what "character changes through trauma" can mean: If you interfere early enough, if such bad experiences happen, then you can get to convince a brain to shrug it off as a one-time life experience because you can deliver dozens of disproofs that leave back the impression to it "this was an extraordinary experience, this is not the rule of the whole world

[vit_r]

- The things that have happened to me are terrifying.

- You have read Bettelheim's book about the survival in concentration camps. This was terrifying.

Two minutes of silence...

- Yes, you are right. My complains are nothing in comparison to this.

The German school teach to be afraid as Anna Frank but the experience of people who had win against the system in most dangerous conditions remains unknown. This produces hopelessness.

Durability is a skill that could be learned and trained. My son had broken through a system in the conditions that anyone who had heard our story calls "terrifying" in one day.

[matrixmann]

Found the way to the Leseprobe

[vit_r]

This book is not about my son. It contains the thoughts and conclusions of my son. The characters and the world are artificial. However, there are a lot of real impressions that were used in the story. And it describes not the school system but the consequences of its degradation and seeks the ways to correct this.

Or case was quite specific and it is not described in the book. And to understand what do I mean about Greta you need to read through the book till the 31st chapter. This phenomenon is also one of the consequences.

By the way, the weirdest complaint of the Swiss school was that my other son knows the German (Hochdeutsch) too well.

[matrixmann]

Good, okay.

But, I must say, the first chapter, as president and ministers are discussing among each other "how to we get some normal workers out of people again" - it bears similarity to a overall picture that one finds here in the present.

Only, German system until now doesn't care about any kind of education of its own masses. They rather plunder other countries for "skilled workers" and put their bets on the horse "pay expensively for good education" (aka "the American model"). Its own youth - they let their brains get filled with rubbish and become addicted to their smartphones.
The very last thing they'd get upon doing would be investing any penny meaningfully into their own young people. (They only like to scream for people fertilizing some.)

[vit_r]

The German education system burns a lot of money. The catastrophic consequences are not the intention of the politicians but the result of a (parasitic) self-organization. And each attempt of "improvement" makes the situation even worse because the system protects itself. This is the theme of one other book.

I think Swiss education system burns even more money pro person even in the public sector. For a private school you pay more than 2000 CHF per month and receive quite the same service.

[matrixmann]

Hm... If you ask me, its biggest flaw already is that they stick to death on the federal states organizing it. Literally each federal state does its own thing, comparing a single capacity between all of them is like a scientific discipline in itself

[vit_r]

The federal ownership had helped Bavaria to save their education system from degradation pressure. The centralized government authorities always choose the worst from all bad ideas.

[matrixmann]

Hm... I know the critics vice versa that Bavaria refuses to adapt to a centralized-equal niveau because they literally train for the tasks that appear in the exams, more than really teaching the kids well in an overall sense. That's also why they want no Zentralabitur - because it would come to surface that their students aren't really that superiorly good as it's always said.

[vit_r]

You have not the best sources. You could always make statistics that "prove" anything.

What do you think about medical students that do not learn anatomy and engineers who do not understand mathematics? This is are the "improvements" forced by the centralization.

[matrixmann]

I just happen to know the criticism, not more.

And one thing I don't believe in is that currently any federal system has found the philosopher's stone. They all have some kinds of flaws or critical errors in the depth of the system. Only one of them may sum up more at once than the other.