中国 & 香港

Aug 26, 2019 15:55

As protests in Hong Kong became a steady topic in Western media in the recent weeks again ( Read more... )

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benicek August 26 2019, 15:28:17 UTC

Of course they are not proposing returning to being a British colony. That is a ridiculous assertion and impossible anyway.

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matrixmann August 26 2019, 16:11:09 UTC
"of course"?
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
On one hand, somewhere I caught it that old colonial flags (single ones) have been seen on the events already.

But, not waging that too serious - what the heck is this supposed to be about then?
The protesters don't want what Britain and China once agreed on decades ago, even though it's legitimate and a reconstruction of circumstances as they were before ca. the middle of the 19th century. (There even was a UN resolution before supporting the return of the territory to China.)
Do they want to be a "state" on their own? Forget that, they can't even feed their people on their own... And the harbor can barely drop enough to achieve that too...

So, what is this otherwise about if they don't want any of the integration measures of China (there's fighting about literally anything that China wants to change in HK these days)? This means "we don't want to be part of you". Which is, these days, a breach with all international agreements that have been made about Hongkong's fate.

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benicek August 26 2019, 16:43:27 UTC
No it means they don’t want to be ruled by the Chinese Communist Party, which forbids any criticism of it and enforces that with gulags. They are using the old colonial flag partly ironically. They want to keep the rule of law and freedom of speech and to have an elected government. That’s reasonable. Not sure what you mean about HK not ‘surviving on its own’. It always paid its way and fed its residents even when communist China was starving 4 million of its citizens to death. In fact the relationship was the other way around. Trade via HK was a vital source of income for communist China. HK is not West Berlin, it’s more like Singapore.

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matrixmann August 26 2019, 17:40:43 UTC
The Communist Party of China exists now for like forever. Mao's successor in fact made the contracts with GB, granting them 50 years of doing a different economical system than the rest of China because he was rather fond of the idea that local areas can do customizations in terms of how they organize their economy, unlike the previous agenda until then which centralizedly wanted to tell everyone from Beijing what they have to do ( ... )

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benicek August 26 2019, 17:48:03 UTC
Well even during my childhood in Hong Kong there was a big power station there. I’m sure it hasn’t been demolished.

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matrixmann August 26 2019, 20:08:03 UTC
Oh, you lived there for a while?

I wouldn't guess they demolished such things...
Even though - and this should apply to a lot of areas of East Asia these days -, with that many people that live there these days, logistics should require a lot of structural planning, otherwise it's gonna end in big misery.
I don't know about which time you speak if you mean the past - just saying, the growth in population adds a bit spice to the matter if it comes down to securing the daily necessary supply.
Might be that I have a wrong imagination about that, but in my understanding, I don't think this task is that easy anymore like it used to be in the past to just cover it all through only one harbor. No matter how big.
(Btw, I don't think in money here - money you can't eat. I think in necessary goods.)

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