Die Offenlegung des Mythos "Arbeit = Wohlstand" und seiner Schatten in die Gegenwart

Nov 25, 2018 22:59

Deswegen erscheint (wahrscheinlich) die tägliche Meldung zur Arbeitslosenstatistik und deswegen diskutieren hohe Politiker allzu gern darüber, aber nicht über das zunehmende "wer arbeitet, ist trotzdem arm"-Problem: Gemäß man kalkuliert mit ein, an welches Publikum diese Meldungen gerichtet sind - in Westdeutschland vermittelt die Botschaft von ( Read more... )

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matrixmann December 1 2018, 23:38:45 UTC
Basically, it would aim at being that.

But, as I get to notice it via statistics, I get to notice it's better to judge this via how things are structured locally.
For example, in West Germany it still is like a relatively common thing, statistically, that women mostly work part-time and the main income is generated by their husbands.
In East Germany, this isn't like that.
Origin of that is West Germany's deeply conservative past (which also lied in its structure of everything).
It still can be found within its economical and society structures that the liberation of women, as the Communist block has seen it, never took place there.

The big trouble that I have with these data is where I get to check them out and what people conclude out of that in their deep ignorance about the East: They get to just put the stamp on it "aw, yeah, women don't really want to work if they got a big income generator - they only do this because they're bored; and this is a natural thing".
This is only true for West Germany!
This data that women work mostly only part-time because they don't want to work more hours, that's a West German syndrome!
(Btw, that's why traditionally West German wages are way higher than in East Germany - it also originates in tha time still as th husband was the main income generator and one income needed to feed a whole family.)

By people totally forgetting to put the East into its bill and its judgment over things, they do something that's clearly a filter bubble thing. Because they're mostly used to women which behave parasite-like or like sensitve plants that you literally kick into doing something which they actually don't want, they think that this is a standard and it's "woman's nature".

If you know the statistics of East Germany and why they're different from their own, that it's a systematic thing resulting from a development that East Germany made, but West Germany didn't, then you know - not only how much bullshit that generalization is, but also how much you better shouldn't take those things and proportions that you know as self-evident.

Which brings me back to this topic from this post now - I don't know it with different circumstances.
For "my world", it's "low unemployment gets covered with part-time/low-wage-jobs and-job-creation measures".
The myth demystified, so to say.
But I don't know if person's like me are the audience the PR-propaganda-news about low unemployment appeal to.
If there's still another world, another structure, for which the myth "unemployment is the fault of your own laziness" still somehow applies in the average citizen's worldview... (Because the overall structure functions differently, so that this superficially still may appear as true.)

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onb2017 December 2 2018, 17:33:48 UTC
Interesting, I never heard about such cultural differences between East and West. So much for the equity. A woman is supposed to belong to the kitchen, ha?

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matrixmann December 2 2018, 18:01:37 UTC
In the statistics, seemingly one must still be able to find that difference of the path of cultural development.

But, well... What do you wanna expect from a country that was heavily influenced by US culture and politics, which wanted to put women on a leash anyway under the cover of Christian religion, and which continued the spirit of the Nazi system as well as let the show go on with Nazi personnel in its administrative positions?
That it enforces poicies a là "women, you'll become first class citizens from now on!"?
Sure there's nothing like this to be expected from them...

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onb2017 December 2 2018, 18:13:01 UTC
Yeah and all that hypocritical feminism movement is just fighting for what really? Hating men?

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matrixmann December 2 2018, 19:24:17 UTC
Ah, I see you're a bit informed about the nr. 1 activist bullshit...

Actually, if you think about - if you know the origins of a construct, it doesn't cause you wondering why things are as they are today.
This only happens if you're missing lots of pieces of information.

I think it's also mostly my problem of misunderstandings in conversations with people from the English-speaking sphere that this sphere is so deeply convinced in its consciousness and subconsciousness that "women=humans" is a thing that can't exist without feminism. Say something bad about feminism and you're a misogynist right away to them...
That empowerment for women could also happen without it, this is so much out of their own ken like a life without God to someone who believed in him ever since he can remember.

I think, as some in the (mainly West) German (I guess) "activism for men"-sphere (that already exists too) put it: The East German women are a real pain in the ass for the feminists because they just headed out and became engineers, technians and whatever all by themselves without rambling about their gender 24/7. They didn't just talk about something they wanted to become for decades, they just took the challenge and did it.
Through that, they're a huge pain in the ass of feminists because they show "if you invest your efforts into doing something instead of just complaining how much your surroundings and society don't let you do it, then you'll get what you want and not by claiming someone may deliver it to your lap for free".
Because feminists mainly want to achieve something via the passive-aggressive "I cry and scream for as long as I don't get what I want". Like some dependent baby (so to say)...

Also, the example of the East German women shows: Equality can come totally without feminism. The ideologiy is no must-requirement for this to happen.
And, for any ideology this only to exist as a hypothetical possibility is like a stroke to the grave, you can imagine...
God forbid, if someone tries this out practically!
Who's gonna need feminism then if this works?

...Ah, I have to think in this kind of different systems/hierarchies so fucking often...

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