Religious excuse

Oct 01, 2017 00:57

People call for respect towards their beliefs and meanwhile sometimes for separate for prayer areas at their work places and schools. In order to avoid conflict and an image of possible cultural intolerance, as those claims can be met with Muslims more often than other religions, and someone decided somewhere that this group needs to be given ( Read more... )

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matrixmann October 1 2017, 16:58:04 UTC
Because someone responded to the post on my dreamwidth page, I was forced to think a little deeper about it and maybe I have an answer: As Islam currently is organized in its rites to practice the faith, in the majority, capitalism won't get around trying to integrate them into the machine along with their rites.
So, basically it's an action of getting to win them for that issue, respectively turn them into some work slaves that don't question the treatment and that are loyal to their moneybag lords.

But, the great flaw on that action, this doesn't work without any disturbances in between.
Humans are apes who always look for what their neighbor receives in treatment and goods, so when they see someone gets extra rights, extra breaks to practice their religion (if necessary), then they gonna scream what that shit is for, why someone else gets this special treatment and he does not or he even gets scolded for wanting something similar.
And this produces quarrel, sooner or later, for the right reason, I think.

In that point it isn't me regarding Muslims or people with faith who get granted those extra rights as enemies, it's the politics done with using them as a protective shield.
Either people are equal or they're not.
And when political correctness gets twisted and abused for that to make people feel guilty in addressing these politics of treating people differently under the disguise of "religious freedom", then this is something I definitely have a problem with.
Saying, it's getting problematic for me too if people start to hate these people on a personal level for that, for politics they partly even can't control (someone ever asks the Muslim community on the street if they want all that shit that this system prepares as "extra treatment" for them?), that sometimes are the work of the political arm of their religion and sometimes are the result of captalism's arm in stirring up hate and control people by religion.
To me, it's not about them personally 'cause not every Muslim claimed it before a court to be treated differently than other people - Islam as a religion is also too diverse in religious practice to take that as given -, it's about those politics of handing out extra rights or protecting special groups of people in every issue, even if they do mischief or commit crimes or hurt other fellow humans, and telling other people to feel guilty and racist if they just notice people get treated with some double standard here.

By the way, and I truly didn't ever hear about any case like that, strangely for Christians there's never the claim here to get some extra room for praying, unless you work at a facility run by one of the Christian churches or you're situated in a federal state that is more persistent in that still.
I can make up my mind why: Christians are used to it meanwhile that at their work place, religion needs to stay at home. Apart from a cross on your desk or in your locker. It's been accepted that things like that don't get offered anymore, if they ever were (well, I could be mistaken as the separate federal states can be really different here at treating things).
And even if they want to raise a claim, the Christians are universally orientated in that. Meaning "ecumenically", they don't just try to get their own thing which they later don't share with anyone. They seek an aspect of "let all confessions pray together". Which the political Islam, at this point, doesn't look for here. They always try to be separate from all the others. Which, probably, adds to the general disagreement with it and it's own behavior.

It's a very complicated issue... There's a whole lot of giving and taking, you know? Each fraction adding their piece to the conflict as it is. It's not like anyone's totally innocent or totally to blame in here.
And that's why it is so hard going down on that topic.
Probably I have my controversial way of putting it on the table, but I always try my best for being object-orientated, not sink down on the personal level which is reigned by offenses these days.

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onb2017 October 1 2017, 17:01:34 UTC
Yeah, it makes sense.

And it is always easier to control people and treat them like slaves when they are uneducated and backward. Religion helps a lot with that.

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matrixmann October 1 2017, 17:30:10 UTC
I wouldn't call it that.
Their religion and their religious practice is more a subject to offer identity to people from the Middle East than their state borders do.
So, in order to make them work for you, you better address this instead of any national things. Sometimes people from differing nations in the Middle East even are arch enemies to the core - comparable to the various nationalities and ethnic descents that are left of Yugoslavia these days. Why, often only they know (and sometimes not even that).
Addressing that part offers you the biggest bandwidth if you're a dirty capitalist that always is on the watch for cheap labor and for causing competition among the established workers.
People which this point is a big straw for in their inner construct of identity and feeling welcome, they gonna love you for allowing them "to live that" openly.

That principle can also easily applied to other social group.

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