Predetermined to be an asshole
I love to debate, to argue, and to discuss ideas. I think it's incredibly important to be able to defend and articulate your beliefs because that's the best way to tell whether you really believe them or not. A lot of people hate getting into debates about religion, politics, etc. because they feel uncomfortable discussing them. My guess is that 9
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You then felt compelled apparently to enter my journal and tell me to 'chill out.' And you've done it again with these last two post. That's what I responded to. I wouldn't come to your house and tell you how to behave under any circumstance, no matter how I felt about the things you do.
I told you before that I wouldn't 'debate' with you anything in Kurt's Journal. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? I think you want less the debate than you do the opportunity to show off you intelligence in front of an audience.
I think you are frustrated because I won't play by your rules--and this demonstrates perfectly that you really just want to show off.
I know you'll climb your high horse and say i haven't address the issue, but to me the point of all this entails less the debate and more you trying to control the game.
You should follow your own advice, 'Let it go.'
The offer to debate anything you like is on the table. But I bet you won't.
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Kurt is more of a brother to me than he is to you, so anything having to do with him is important to me...including advice other people are giving him. If you look at the post, you gave him your advice, then I gave him my perspective on the situation. You disagreed with me, and the discussion began. I explained why I thought my explanation was more valid than yours and you countered. Why is this an inappropriate place for conversation? It was now relevant to all 3 people.
I am not interested in holding formal debates. I talk about things as they come up. I engaged in this subject because it seemed like an appropriate topic to talk about. We had a civil discussion for awhile, and it really didn't get heated until I pointed out inconsistencies in your theory (which you were still touting as 'certainly the case'), at which you took offense.
I knew you would have to post again.
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Well, I'm sure his sister (that gives me the connection to him) will be pleased to find that you think your relationship is more important than actually being part of the family.
That aside, I wasn't trying to debate with you, period. I threw out some comments in an off hand manner and you chose to try and make it a full fledged debate. Once this occured I suggested Kurt's Journal wasn't the place to do that and perhaps another forum was more appropriate.
You don't want to debate, no problem. But don't ever tell me how and what advice I'm allowed to offer my brother-in-law. And don't assume that because I make off handed reponses that this is any way a discussion or debate. I think I made it plain enough that if you wanted a debate, I'd be more than willing to have one--the where is the issue.
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I have just as much a right to give him advice as you do...that's what I said.
I never said you couldn't give him advice, I never told you how to give him advice. And I never told you what advice you could give him. Where are you getting this?
By debate, I am not talking about a formal activity...I was just referring to the back and forth discussion we were having. What am I supposed to assume from 'off handed responses?' If you ask questions and challenge my ideas, it certainly seems appropriate to respond. What is the question? It seems strange that you should say that, when you feel it necessary to respond to EVERY single response I post, even when there are no new issues.
This latest response is a perfect example. Now you are fabricating issues (see the first 3 paras in this response) because there is really nothing left to discuss.
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If you didn't think the conversation (started because you viewed something I intially wrote to Kurt as something YOU don't believe--the 'meant-to-be' aspect) was a 'debate' why refer to it as such?
At no point did i attempt to 'debate' you, but I was and am now still more than willing. You stated on a number of post how much you like to 'debate,' if that's the case, then why not say this insn't a 'debate' we're having now but is just a mere 'conversation?'
I think you misunderstood my words all the way. part of that is my fault because at no point was i seriously engaged in the 'conversation/debate' other than my initial post which start it all.
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Like I indicated in my post...when the anonymous person was posting in our journals, I asked him who he thought it was...because they guy was on his LJ first, then came to mine after I commented there. He told me he thought it was you. Guillermo, Bill. Laura's husband.
I just assumed that you got into the LJ thing and got yourself an account. Which is cool...The other guy was kind of fun to talk to, he had an attitude, and some interesting things to say, although he wasn't very good about defending his case. Either way, I thought I was just starting a new conversation. The anonymous guy was very open to debate, and since I assumed it was you, I thought it was more of the same. We had a witty banter. He had a sense of humor...and a pretty thick skin...something you don't seem to share.
Stop talking about 'debating' me. It sounds silly. What do you think we are doing now? For the MILLIONTH time, I am using 'debate' to mean any discussion about an issue...maybe it is too formal a word. Regardless, right now we are debating...Having a discussion to (hopefully) rectify our misunderstandings and differences. If you notice, in this thread, I am continually trying to clarify why I thought you and the AG were the same...I am trying to help you see why I was misunderstood...I thought it would help you see why I came at our discussion about pre-determinism the way I did....so that you will not be so angry. I am trying to remedy this situation.
I thought you were AG. Apparently you are not. But if you look at the posts (and consider that Kurt told me you were from the beginning), you might understand how I came to this decision. I wrote the post, because I thought it was an interesting coincedence...not because I wanted to make you out to be a liar.
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