No, I think you should keep using those icons. It's sorta hilarious. :-)
As for the sex, I don't see attraction there either.
Right. I mean, there's intense attraction, but it's not sexual. I feel like it's bigger than that --- which is sorta why I don't care whether they had sex, you know?
I would care if they were gay, but I don't think they are. If they were essentially a gay couple, I would care a lot whether or not they had sex. But their relationship, which is one of my favorite relationships on film, isn't about that. I don't see sex as some sort of higher level for them, so I don't really care. (Not that I wouldn't watch...oh, sorry, did I type that out loud?)
It definitely took him by surprise, but he didn't seem shocked
Yes, I see what you're seeing. I can't draw a line from that to rape, but I do see what you're seeing. I think it's very logical to conclude that Billy's non-reaction is due to Joe having a pattern of violence.
When I watched, my first reaction was that it was more of Billy being Billy. In my opinion Billy's reactions to Joe are...dampened. Either this is just part of his personality or he has developed this as a response to Joe. Joe's the clown, Joe's the funny guy, Joe's the one with all the words and the intensity and Billy just can't be on that rollercoaster all the time, so he just takes it all in. He watches and smiles, watches and smiles.
And sometimes gives a little back. Positive: look how he gave Joe that little gift of the time travel game. Billy came out to play, and Joe couldn't have been happier. Negative: Joe loses their money and now the next gig is off and Billy loses it and yells at Joe.
But mostly, it's a measured and/or delayed reaction, if there's any at all. Look at him at Bucky's dinner table. He's just found out that the whole reason he came back to HCL was a lie told by Joe. But he just drinks his martini and looks at Joe.
Billy even supports this at one point, by explaining that he's not angry anymore because he "chooses not to be." Because then he'd just be "Bitter Man."
*rummages for her point* Oh yeah, it's that ONE interpretation of Billy's relative calm onstage that last night is that pattern of subdued response. Billy's just used to saying to himself, "There he goes again. I wonder what this is about? I'm sure I'll find out soon enough." So even if he's surprised by Joe's violence, we might not expect to see it right away.
As for the sex, I don't see attraction there either.
Right. I mean, there's intense attraction, but it's not sexual. I feel like it's bigger than that --- which is sorta why I don't care whether they had sex, you know?
I would care if they were gay, but I don't think they are. If they were essentially a gay couple, I would care a lot whether or not they had sex. But their relationship, which is one of my favorite relationships on film, isn't about that. I don't see sex as some sort of higher level for them, so I don't really care. (Not that I wouldn't watch...oh, sorry, did I type that out loud?)
It definitely took him by surprise, but he didn't seem shocked
Yes, I see what you're seeing. I can't draw a line from that to rape, but I do see what you're seeing. I think it's very logical to conclude that Billy's non-reaction is due to Joe having a pattern of violence.
When I watched, my first reaction was that it was more of Billy being Billy. In my opinion Billy's reactions to Joe are...dampened. Either this is just part of his personality or he has developed this as a response to Joe. Joe's the clown, Joe's the funny guy, Joe's the one with all the words and the intensity and Billy just can't be on that rollercoaster all the time, so he just takes it all in. He watches and smiles, watches and smiles.
And sometimes gives a little back. Positive: look how he gave Joe that little gift of the time travel game. Billy came out to play, and Joe couldn't have been happier. Negative: Joe loses their money and now the next gig is off and Billy loses it and yells at Joe.
But mostly, it's a measured and/or delayed reaction, if there's any at all. Look at him at Bucky's dinner table. He's just found out that the whole reason he came back to HCL was a lie told by Joe. But he just drinks his martini and looks at Joe.
Billy even supports this at one point, by explaining that he's not angry anymore because he "chooses not to be." Because then he'd just be "Bitter Man."
*rummages for her point* Oh yeah, it's that ONE interpretation of Billy's relative calm onstage that last night is that pattern of subdued response. Billy's just used to saying to himself, "There he goes again. I wonder what this is about? I'm sure I'll find out soon enough." So even if he's surprised by Joe's violence, we might not expect to see it right away.
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