Well, we can agree to disagree about what Joe is capable of. IMO, Joe's only real show of violence is when he's at his absolute (and literal) end. It's the last stop before killing himself.
Interestingly, to me anyway, I think there's a point of view that says Billy is more prone to violence than Joe. You know, he pushes, he smashes a chair. He holds down a goat. #:-)
If John hadn't said the thing to Mary AND if John didn't hold the truth so sacred, I never would have assumed any kind of sexual relationship between Joe and Billy. What I see, throughout the rest of the movie, is intimacy, not sexual attraction.
That gets back to the distinction between what Noel wrote and what the actors played. I think there is one. A distinction, I mean. I think the actors found the truth of the characters and played that. I don't think the truth of the characters, these characters, was about sex (even if they did have sex, you know?)
But I know there's plenty of slash fic out there, so YMMV and a lot of other peoples does too. :-)
Anyway, I'll post tomorrow about HCL from another angle. Maybe we can talk about something less contentious and...sticky. :-)
IMO, Joe's only real show of violence is when he's at his absolute (and literal) end. It's the last stop before killing himself.
Interestingly, to me anyway, I think there's a point of view that says Billy is more prone to violence than Joe. You know, he pushes, he smashes a chair. He holds down a goat. #:-)
If John hadn't said the thing to Mary AND if John didn't hold the truth so sacred, I never would have assumed any kind of sexual relationship between Joe and Billy. What I see, throughout the rest of the movie, is intimacy, not sexual attraction.
That gets back to the distinction between what Noel wrote and what the actors played. I think there is one. A distinction, I mean. I think the actors found the truth of the characters and played that. I don't think the truth of the characters, these characters, was about sex (even if they did have sex, you know?)
But I know there's plenty of slash fic out there, so YMMV and a lot of other peoples does too. :-)
Anyway, I'll post tomorrow about HCL from another angle. Maybe we can talk about something less contentious and...sticky. :-)
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