*channels Ruby's courage*
Here's the thing. I know people are going to look down on me for this. I know I'm going to get talked about, my name's going to be dragged through the mud and I'm going to lose respect from some people, and friends, and there are a lot of people that don't want to hear anymore wank or whatever. But at this point I don't really care because this is bullshit.
Feel free to skip this if you don't want to see anymore drama or want to know about the supernatural_tv stuff. At this point I don't think I want to anymore, either.
I have proof that supernatural_tv was stolen from the original creator and maintainer snarkstorm/ignoretherain. There was bad blood between potthead, hauntedlove,dieseled and the original maintainer because they said they had suggestions and wanted to help with the memories but snarkstorm didn't want to hand over maintainership roles to them. And for good reason, it seems.
So the story goes, snarkstorm let potthead have maintainership for a few minutes to fix the layout. In that short time she invited dieseled to be a maintainer, kicked out snarkstorm and moderated posting so she couldn't post something explaining the real story behind what happened. There might have also been some banning and then un-banning of snarkstorm. There's a little of both.
Then this post was made to announce that they had taken over and they were making changes to the comm. To the unsuspecting watcher it all seems great, right? Involved mods, new changes, going above and beyond for a fandom we all love.
Not so much. If you scrolled through the post or were directly linked to this comment before... today? you would have seen a comment from buffyspazz, pointing out that no, potthead and hauntedlove did NOT come by the community honestly and that they STOLE it. I'm surprised it lasted the year and a half it stayed there, actually.
So that was at the end of May. Prior to that I had complained to dorkdance that I didn't really like the new way supernatural_tv was being run. So, she suggested we start our own, supernaturalcw. Instead of bitching and complaining about that comm or trying to, I don't know, STEAL it, we just decided to start our own. I didn't really expect much to come of it but it was a place people could post, if they wanted. Whatever.
Somehow snarkstorm heard of the community and commented to the post. She explained that she was supportive of our comm because "Gen and Joya literally removed me from my own community and banned me so that they would have no problem doing so [...]". I engaged her in a thread conversation because I had no idea. There were no whispers in fandom, no inklings, nothing.
Within 24 hours of snarkstorm commenting on our post and telling us what REALLY went down with the community potthead and hauntedlove showed up in the post and they started explaining their side of what went down. Everything was fairly civil, aside it being retardedly surreal and very wtf. hauntedlove explained the situation as this: "Okay, yeah, Joya and I removed Brandi from her community, but we have in no way anything against her personally. The reason why we removed her is because she likes power and the idea of maintaining a community by herself, a little too much." potthead explained her version as this: "I kicked Brandi (ignoretherain) off supernatural_tv, and Gen and I now maintain it. Gen and I used to be mods. We asked Brandi if we could maintain the comm with her because it seemed the responsibility of the comm was a bit much for her [...]" Apparently snarkstorm was being "mean" and there are screencaps for proof of said meanness. She continues, "Keep your same opinions, develop new ones, etc. To be blunt, I don't really care. What's done is done. I didn't tell Brandi to be so rude to me that it drove us to kick her out. She can sit here and victimize herself as much as she wants, but in the end, I will believe what I choose to believem and you will believe what you choose to believe, but for anyone who cares, that's our side of the story, and although I regret having to go through the whole 'violent takeover' thing, I don't regret having to do it for the community."
Uh, yeah. So back and forth we go but the point still stands- they stole the comm and they're happy about it. We're baffled and can't get on board with it. Finally in the end potthead suggests all the comments be screened because we were apparently done with the conversation. They couldn't understand they'd done something wrong and we couldn't bring it to ourselves to drag it through the mud anymore because they weren't getting it, or at least caring about it.
This thing made it to clairvoyantwank but because we screened the comments and no one ever carried it further it died there. Fandom was smaller, dorkdance and I were still fairly new to the fandom and we didn't want to cause a stink. How do you bring this stuff up without seeming like a giant bitch out of the blue?
A year and a half. A year and a half I sat on this shit because I didn't want to regurgitate all of this stuff and seem like the bad guy. Because honestly? A lot of fandom probably won't give a shit.
But then the ckll thing happened. I was one of the first people to step up and express my disgust at how that went down. If you don't like someone you STAY OUT OF THEIR WAY. You ignore them, keep your corners, let them do what they want and you do what you want and it's all gravy. The ckll thing has been talked to death and (mostly) everyone knows all the details and it's not the point. It did trigger a wave of people expressing their distaste at the situation, as well. And a rehashment of a past occurance of community stealing.
The comments in those posts of disbelief astounded me. Some people don't care. Some people don't want to believe it. And some people just can't believe it. Because nothing has ever been said about it.
I was so tempted to say my piece about it, to write this post earlier. I have proof. I have the words. But as quickly as the ckll wank came, it died down again. Maybe because of the holiday weekend, maybe because people just don't care and we've been so incredibly wanky of late- I don't know. But in the end I figured that it would be too much and I don't want to be that person to bring up the past and drag shit through the mud again.
I've told people about what happened before. I told my friends and shared the gory details with them and they were all as flabbergasted and disgusted as I was. But it never went any further than that because I didn't want to be the bad guy. But it was brought up again this weekend and we've been talking about it in connection with the ckll wank. I checked the supernaturalcw post again, just to refresh my memory, and my heart kind of dropped. Deleted posts everywhere. I hadn't anticipated that people could go in and delete their screened comments under someone else's control. They really seemed to be cleaning up, too. What with deleting the comment in their celebratory "We took over the comm" post from June 2006 I linked above. Something to hide, Joya and Gen?
Hey, girls? I'm not dumb. I screencapped the post LONG before you ever thought to delete your comments. LONG TIME.
The original, unedited post. Some comments are not unfolded because the extension didn't work on those ones but the bulk of them are and now they've been deleted so I can't go back. Either way, all the guilty-making stuff is here.
This is the post now, edited and cleansed of all comments that may put potthead and hauntedlove in a bad light.
I was totally prepared to let this slide. I wasn't going to post a fucking thing about it because instead of complaining about how the comm was run and trying to be a bitch about it I started my own goddamn community. But then I saw the post and realized you two are running scared. You don't want to be seen as the villians. While I can't prove that you had any hand in the takeover of dean_sam, anyone who was around that night knows how excited you were about it, how you knew all the details that were going down. Hell, you and I even had a comment thread and I referenced this very situation and you threw the LJ "trustworthy person" passage at me.
And the defense that LJ instructs maintainers of a community to pick trustworthy people to help run your communities doesn't fly in situations like these. Pretending to be trustworthy and then stabbing someone in the back because you don't like the way the community is being run is just being bitchy.
So that's that. The whole thing as I know it, that would have stayed hidden if it didn't seem like potthead and hauntedlove had something to hide. A year and a half of sitting on this bullshit because I didn't want to seem like a bitch. But then I realized that just because it was that long ago doesn't mean I still can't be outraged and flabbergasted at what happened. I stood up and said that it was wrong that someone A LOT of fandom can't stand got shit on, but not for this? Whatever.
I just... I wanted to post all the facts that I have. I didn't want it to be buried under the rug. I didn't want all the people who think it's just as wrong as I do feel like they're talking to themselves when other people say, "Really? I never knew that about spn_tv".
I don't care what your justification is. If you don't like someone, ignore them. If you don't like a community or the way it's being run, start your own. It's so simple and yet seems to be SO hard.
Finally, this is in NO way an attempt to make the people involved in the ckll thing feel bad. I still don't approve of what happened, obviously, but the situations were different and I have other thoughts on that situation.
Now, with all that being said, I'm gonna go sit by the toilet because I feel absolutely sick.
Feel free to skip this if you don't want to see anymore drama or want to know about the supernatural_tv stuff. At this point I don't think I want to anymore, either.
I have proof that supernatural_tv was stolen from the original creator and maintainer snarkstorm/ignoretherain. There was bad blood between potthead, hauntedlove,dieseled and the original maintainer because they said they had suggestions and wanted to help with the memories but snarkstorm didn't want to hand over maintainership roles to them. And for good reason, it seems.
So the story goes, snarkstorm let potthead have maintainership for a few minutes to fix the layout. In that short time she invited dieseled to be a maintainer, kicked out snarkstorm and moderated posting so she couldn't post something explaining the real story behind what happened. There might have also been some banning and then un-banning of snarkstorm. There's a little of both.
Then this post was made to announce that they had taken over and they were making changes to the comm. To the unsuspecting watcher it all seems great, right? Involved mods, new changes, going above and beyond for a fandom we all love.
Not so much. If you scrolled through the post or were directly linked to this comment before... today? you would have seen a comment from buffyspazz, pointing out that no, potthead and hauntedlove did NOT come by the community honestly and that they STOLE it. I'm surprised it lasted the year and a half it stayed there, actually.
So that was at the end of May. Prior to that I had complained to dorkdance that I didn't really like the new way supernatural_tv was being run. So, she suggested we start our own, supernaturalcw. Instead of bitching and complaining about that comm or trying to, I don't know, STEAL it, we just decided to start our own. I didn't really expect much to come of it but it was a place people could post, if they wanted. Whatever.
Somehow snarkstorm heard of the community and commented to the post. She explained that she was supportive of our comm because "Gen and Joya literally removed me from my own community and banned me so that they would have no problem doing so [...]". I engaged her in a thread conversation because I had no idea. There were no whispers in fandom, no inklings, nothing.
Within 24 hours of snarkstorm commenting on our post and telling us what REALLY went down with the community potthead and hauntedlove showed up in the post and they started explaining their side of what went down. Everything was fairly civil, aside it being retardedly surreal and very wtf. hauntedlove explained the situation as this: "Okay, yeah, Joya and I removed Brandi from her community, but we have in no way anything against her personally. The reason why we removed her is because she likes power and the idea of maintaining a community by herself, a little too much." potthead explained her version as this: "I kicked Brandi (ignoretherain) off supernatural_tv, and Gen and I now maintain it. Gen and I used to be mods. We asked Brandi if we could maintain the comm with her because it seemed the responsibility of the comm was a bit much for her [...]" Apparently snarkstorm was being "mean" and there are screencaps for proof of said meanness. She continues, "Keep your same opinions, develop new ones, etc. To be blunt, I don't really care. What's done is done. I didn't tell Brandi to be so rude to me that it drove us to kick her out. She can sit here and victimize herself as much as she wants, but in the end, I will believe what I choose to believem and you will believe what you choose to believe, but for anyone who cares, that's our side of the story, and although I regret having to go through the whole 'violent takeover' thing, I don't regret having to do it for the community."
Uh, yeah. So back and forth we go but the point still stands- they stole the comm and they're happy about it. We're baffled and can't get on board with it. Finally in the end potthead suggests all the comments be screened because we were apparently done with the conversation. They couldn't understand they'd done something wrong and we couldn't bring it to ourselves to drag it through the mud anymore because they weren't getting it, or at least caring about it.
This thing made it to clairvoyantwank but because we screened the comments and no one ever carried it further it died there. Fandom was smaller, dorkdance and I were still fairly new to the fandom and we didn't want to cause a stink. How do you bring this stuff up without seeming like a giant bitch out of the blue?
A year and a half. A year and a half I sat on this shit because I didn't want to regurgitate all of this stuff and seem like the bad guy. Because honestly? A lot of fandom probably won't give a shit.
But then the ckll thing happened. I was one of the first people to step up and express my disgust at how that went down. If you don't like someone you STAY OUT OF THEIR WAY. You ignore them, keep your corners, let them do what they want and you do what you want and it's all gravy. The ckll thing has been talked to death and (mostly) everyone knows all the details and it's not the point. It did trigger a wave of people expressing their distaste at the situation, as well. And a rehashment of a past occurance of community stealing.
The comments in those posts of disbelief astounded me. Some people don't care. Some people don't want to believe it. And some people just can't believe it. Because nothing has ever been said about it.
I was so tempted to say my piece about it, to write this post earlier. I have proof. I have the words. But as quickly as the ckll wank came, it died down again. Maybe because of the holiday weekend, maybe because people just don't care and we've been so incredibly wanky of late- I don't know. But in the end I figured that it would be too much and I don't want to be that person to bring up the past and drag shit through the mud again.
I've told people about what happened before. I told my friends and shared the gory details with them and they were all as flabbergasted and disgusted as I was. But it never went any further than that because I didn't want to be the bad guy. But it was brought up again this weekend and we've been talking about it in connection with the ckll wank. I checked the supernaturalcw post again, just to refresh my memory, and my heart kind of dropped. Deleted posts everywhere. I hadn't anticipated that people could go in and delete their screened comments under someone else's control. They really seemed to be cleaning up, too. What with deleting the comment in their celebratory "We took over the comm" post from June 2006 I linked above. Something to hide, Joya and Gen?
Hey, girls? I'm not dumb. I screencapped the post LONG before you ever thought to delete your comments. LONG TIME.
The original, unedited post. Some comments are not unfolded because the extension didn't work on those ones but the bulk of them are and now they've been deleted so I can't go back. Either way, all the guilty-making stuff is here.
This is the post now, edited and cleansed of all comments that may put potthead and hauntedlove in a bad light.
I was totally prepared to let this slide. I wasn't going to post a fucking thing about it because instead of complaining about how the comm was run and trying to be a bitch about it I started my own goddamn community. But then I saw the post and realized you two are running scared. You don't want to be seen as the villians. While I can't prove that you had any hand in the takeover of dean_sam, anyone who was around that night knows how excited you were about it, how you knew all the details that were going down. Hell, you and I even had a comment thread and I referenced this very situation and you threw the LJ "trustworthy person" passage at me.
And the defense that LJ instructs maintainers of a community to pick trustworthy people to help run your communities doesn't fly in situations like these. Pretending to be trustworthy and then stabbing someone in the back because you don't like the way the community is being run is just being bitchy.
So that's that. The whole thing as I know it, that would have stayed hidden if it didn't seem like potthead and hauntedlove had something to hide. A year and a half of sitting on this bullshit because I didn't want to seem like a bitch. But then I realized that just because it was that long ago doesn't mean I still can't be outraged and flabbergasted at what happened. I stood up and said that it was wrong that someone A LOT of fandom can't stand got shit on, but not for this? Whatever.
I just... I wanted to post all the facts that I have. I didn't want it to be buried under the rug. I didn't want all the people who think it's just as wrong as I do feel like they're talking to themselves when other people say, "Really? I never knew that about spn_tv".
I don't care what your justification is. If you don't like someone, ignore them. If you don't like a community or the way it's being run, start your own. It's so simple and yet seems to be SO hard.
Finally, this is in NO way an attempt to make the people involved in the ckll thing feel bad. I still don't approve of what happened, obviously, but the situations were different and I have other thoughts on that situation.
Now, with all that being said, I'm gonna go sit by the toilet because I feel absolutely sick.