Meme: On enjoying writing...

Jun 29, 2007 14:40

A meme for a quiet Friday afternoon.

A while ago lyras posted a meme asking writers to identify their favorite fics from among the stories they'd written. I'm not sure I've gained nearly enough distance from my own fics to do that kind of thing; I still tend to be very judgmental about the finished product. But the meme got me thinking about the ( Read more... )

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lyras June 29 2007, 22:16:32 UTC
Thanks for posting this! I look forward to catching up on the ones I haven't already read.

Er, I've rambled a bit below, just to warn you.

3a. Would writing be more fun if I wrote more fluff and created happier universes?

Hmm. No? (I would like to hear your own response to this question.) Although I have to admit that writing my recent AoGG slushy ficlet made me all happy and teary-eyed. But writing anything with emotional power makes me happy, as long as the story is true to itself. I love that moment when you're so caught up in a story that when you're disturbed it takes you a few seconds to come back to earth. And I especially love those moments when you have a story that's quite good, and suddenly, bang!, something occurs to you that would transform the story from a competent one into a good one ( ... )

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magnetic_pole June 29 2007, 22:43:17 UTC
You're inside the minds of these characters; you know exactly what they're doing and why; and yet they're playing out this story in your mind, and you still don't have any real control over what they're doing.

*laughs* Mine was a very rational, Hermione-like post, wasn't it? Because this is also a very good description of how things feel when they're going well. *ponders* I suppose my version of the same experience (avoiding truly terrifying phrases like you still don't have any real control) would be this:

You start off with a blank slate, and then you select some characters and a social context, and there are certain ways the characters will interact with each other, and certain constraints determined by the context, and if you trust your instincts, you'll start to see that there's a pattern emerging, and all you need to do is see that pattern, and sketch the barest outline of it in your story, and your reader will know: this is how things are.

Or: Writing is having all these emotions, all these random objects, and being able to ( ... )

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such_heights June 29 2007, 22:19:14 UTC
Ooh, interesting stuff! Who knows, I may end up expanding upon this in a separate post, but honestly I'm a terrible soppy romantic, and most enjoy the stories about friendships/relationships where everyone's happy, things like my hp_holidaygen fic last year etc. Though otherwise I do quite like exploring really awfully angsty things from time to time, so go figure?

things are bleak, the characters are coping as best they can

And that's meant to be depressing? Honestly, considering the state of the canon we have to work with, I think your stories are embued with a wonderful sense of hope despite everything that cannot be ignored.

And re: 1a., I don't know whether to be concerned that I often empathise with male characters more easily, it's slightly odd, especially when I do love the women of HP.

Anyway, the three things you've listed here, oh how I wish everyone in fandom stuck to those principles!

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magnetic_pole June 29 2007, 23:02:07 UTC
It's so interesting the way happy endings drive fan writing. Just off the cuff, I'd say that two-thirds, perhaps three quarters of the fics I read are "happy ending" fics (often in the guise of getting-together stories), and the rest are often crafted in reaction to that expectation. I'd started off a little cynical about the whole thing--life's not like that--but I'm more and more convinced that I can't fully understand what's going on in fanfic if I don't respect the role that the happy ending plays. I'm still working on it.

Anyways, all of which is to say that I wouldn't be so quick to use the phrase "soppy romantic." There are soppy romantics writing fic, but that's not all the "happy ending" is. *smile*

About the men and women of HP? *sigh* I'm sure there's a PhD type writing a dissertation on it out there somewhere.

Thanks for reading, sweetie! This is a lot of introspection, so I'm both delighted and a bit embarrassed you made it to the end. M.

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magnetic_pole July 1 2007, 19:12:25 UTC
You do take you humor seriously, SR! And it's not just turns of phrase, it's comic situations and ever-so-gentle pokes at reader expectations. Do you find your own stories funny? I love it when I find that I'm chuckling over a fic, but mine are rarely funny to me.

I enjoy looking things up, still, maybe more than everything else.

What does it mean that I initially read that "I enjoy things looking up?" *smile* My semi-academic confession: I love diagramming stories. Timelines, character relationships, conflicts, you name it, I've mapped it out. M.

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magnetic_pole July 1 2007, 19:39:00 UTC
*smile* QED.

I'm helpless as a beta reader because I get caught up in Big Issues and backstory at the expense of practical questions like the ones you just listed on your journal: who is the protagonist? What is the central conflict in the story? what can we do to make those more clear? Well, that's not entirely true, I'm fine at SPAG and editing for flow and catching small places in the story where a few extra sentence would help, but mostly I send the poor authors lengthly treatises on how gender is working in the story, or how the author's characterized someone, etc. *sigh* Not to discourage you from asking one day, but I clearly have a ways to go still.

Note to self: Currently academic work might be going more smoothly if I identified and clarified the central conflict in this section. *ponders* M.

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a_t_rain June 30 2007, 03:05:59 UTC
Hmm. I think the longer fics have been the most fun for me, even though they've also been the most frustrating -- there's something about the challenge of pulling together plot threads and, on occasion, pulling off a Rowling-style twist. Running Close to the Ground remains my favorite. Because of the non-linear structure, writing it felt like fitting together pieces of a puzzle, and we only see glimpses of Peter Pettigrew in canon, so it was fun trying to build a plausible and sympathetic character out of those hints. (Fleshing out minor characters is another one of my favorite things to do -- one of the things I like so much about Rowling's world is that there are hints of all these other stories that might be going on behind the scenes.)

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magnetic_pole July 1 2007, 19:27:17 UTC
*wanders back in after reading your fic* That was really amazing, Dr. Rain. I know I'm a sympathetic audience because I'm so interested in Peter, but still. I think you're right about the non-linear style being suited to that character and that particular story--sometimes I find that a straightforward narrative about an elusive or conflicted character creates a sense of familiarity and understanding the reader doesn't necessarily want or need. (I feel that way for Snape as well as Peter, incidentally; perhaps things will change after the last book, but right now I'm happy to see their motivations questioned and developed in specific instances, but I want to respect what we *don't* know about them as well.) Anyways, I can see the appeal of puzzle-assembly: pulling together the information you have, making some connections, providing context and motivation, but allowing the reader to assemble the clues and acknowledging the gaps. I probably should have left a comment, but know that I really enjoyed it ( ... )

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a_t_rain July 2 2007, 11:24:00 UTC
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it!

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paulamcg June 30 2007, 12:09:18 UTC
Thank you for a wonderful topic.I always find it enjoyable to write about (my) writing. As for writing fiction ( ... )

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magnetic_pole July 3 2007, 03:38:46 UTC
Yikes! How did I miss this? Hm. I think I got distracted looking for your Peter fic and never replied? In any case, I'm off for a wedding for about ten days but will make a proper comment when I return. Nice to see you again, by the way! Maggie

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magnetic_pole July 16 2007, 23:50:14 UTC
Finally replying! Sorry for the delay.

2. Ever since I started writing in the fandom I’ve felt I have something to say and that’s been the reason I write (unlike when I was young and wanted to be a novelist, later a poet, and tried to write but had to stop because I had nothing to say).

Ah, that's what good fic is, I suppose--authors writing in order to say something to the world. I hadn't though about it that way, so generally, when I first posted this comment. You're quite right.

I now realise I’m not exactly ignoring HBP and JKR’s statements outside the books - I’m defying them in order to set at least some things right. First of all, I’ve given Remus a supportive childhood environment as well as some healing experiences during the so-called lost years, so he can be a stronger person than the one we are likely to interpret in HBP Lupin.I really think both of these things you mention are essential. Remus strikes me as a perceptive, empathetic character, and while obviously everyone has a history of trials and emotional ( ... )

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paulamcg July 17 2007, 18:43:26 UTC
Thank you for replying. It’s always good to hear that someone thinks I’ve mentioned something essential.

I’m even less anxious about this next book than I was about the previous one. Now I know for sure that Remus for me is not only the Lupin for whom I have to worry in canon. We can always read and write other stories about Remus, Peter or anyone we are interested in.

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