[✐fan essay] kul elna speculation spectacular part 2

Jul 08, 2011 23:11

First off, after watching way too many videos of snakes eating mice, I have to retract the whole "just gulp 'em down" thing Diabound has been doing. Killing one's prey first does make sure it doesn't, you know, claw your throat going down. Yeah.

That said.

and then my fanon got weirder )

ancient egypt, yu-gi-oh, fan essay

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free_for_a_phee July 9 2011, 16:04:39 UTC
-first off, I've got little clue with AE actual history, despite some intrigue and documentary watching. So most my writings/planned writings from the period are very fly by the seat of my YuGiOh. I mean Wiki. I mean pants ( ... )

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made_in_wonder July 9 2011, 16:16:04 UTC
I've made the Tut point, so that might be coming from - me. ^_^; Though I'm hardly the first person to draw that connection, I'm sure. (The poor kid had all kinds of health problems, apparently. Actually, everyone did. Atem is fortunate ( ... )

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free_for_a_phee July 9 2011, 16:23:39 UTC
That, is quite possible. xD

Well, I'll go back to the war point- I wouldn't be surprised if that all fell into place and then the Pharaoh couldn't really deal with the problem given he had other fronts to defend and focus on.

It was talking namely Ramses IV's reign (1155-1149), so yes that's a fair ways off. I was just thinking the abandoning a village because of war and it leading to tombrobbers and "going bad" reminded me of the Kul Elna situation, and that might be what inspired the idea to Takahashi. It'd be a little fast, but we never do hear any details about this war bad enough to make the Items, do we? It could have been going on a while... Do we have any huge come-behind victory in history to compare that to?.

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made_in_wonder July 9 2011, 16:41:22 UTC
That's a good point indeed...and far as I recall, we don't hear much about the war save that apparently they didn't think Egypt would be strong enough on its own without Item intervention. (Which flies in the face of my time placement since Amenhotep III was known for military victory, come to think of it.) If it'd been going on for quite some time, that'd make the victory all the more stunning, wouldn't it? Certainly an interesting twist to put on the situation. I have my own - reason in my AU - why the Pharaoh decides to just make the Items, but wow, I can only imagine how much more of a Big Good Deal the Items would be if they stopped in a day what years of warfare couldn't. I'll check the manga.

Since I've focused mainly on daily life in Egypt when researching, I really couldn't tell you about comparable invasions. It's near the top of my to-research list, however.

...I just know I'm going to go home, check my manga, and find all kinds of things that blow holes in my theories. It never fails.

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free_for_a_phee July 9 2011, 18:26:15 UTC
Indeed- I will say it could go along with the Amenhotep idea if you go from the "They did win in the end" claim, and hey, the victors write the histories and all that. x3 I am curious what your alternate idea of what would convince reluctant Pharaoh to make the Items would be, though!

Oh, that's just the natural progression of canon exploration! Big idea, expand, check facts, issues, bend idea, check again, issues, throw in the towel au-free-for-all whee~!

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made_in_wonder July 9 2011, 18:52:29 UTC
Well, I'm doing this research mostly to help me write Black Lotus and Papyrus's AU. Technically all the work about "dating" canon probably doesn't need to be done, but I'm hoping it can maybe provide me with ideas. Besides, it's fun to mess with. :D SO IT SHALL CONTINUE.

That said, I don't know how much you've read of the piles and piles of nonsense already accumulating on Papyrus's account, but - in her world, Mahaad is always the Black Magician, and is Atem's ka, taking permanent physical form the same way Diabound/Black Lotus has done for Papyrus. And, well. Mahaad was born when the invading country attempted a sneak attack on the young Prince's life, to prove they meant business. |D Attempt failed because SUDDENLY MAGICIAN FROM NOWHERE, but the palace's enchantments had been breached and the son of the Pharaoh had been jeopardized ( ... )

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free_for_a_phee July 9 2011, 19:24:53 UTC
I figured so, but then trying to figure out Takahashi Egypt is always a fun conundrum. (Though I've given up hard facts ever since I realized the palace is Luxor Temple complex because what?)

I saw that! =D And while I usually mhrm over Atem-ka-DM connection, it's a pretty cool way of merging allegiances with the ka idea!

Hrm~ The Set-Kisara sound like they might be cool for a two pov drabble introspection, but yes, that'd be tough to do a back story on, unless you skip ahead of Papyrus for when they meet again. The Mahaad side strikes very fluffy funny... And no my mind did not go into tangent on "awwww, baby Atem saved and watched over by Egyptian Magician~"

Oh hey what's that make Mana?

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made_in_wonder July 9 2011, 19:33:59 UTC
He's invented his own geography, too, given that Ryou made that diorama and we get to see a lot of it. Fun times.

Yeaaahh, it's weird to think about Atem and ka, since it's kind of cool that in canon we never actually see what his is. But for the purposes of the way this particular universe works, Mahaad gets to pass for human (he uses magic to disguise his ka-ness) until Black shows up and is all OH DEAR THE PHARAOH IS ONLY HALF HERE ( ... )

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free_for_a_phee July 9 2011, 20:03:50 UTC
Yeeeeep. One big happy world of "let's throw whatever's fun together! =D" Which I am totally for. The funny thing is thinking of YnBakura trying to make the bird's eye view design to feed to Ryou. x3

Some days, I like to think Atem's ka might be Horakhty itself, explaining (sort of) why he needed his name/identity before summoning it. Others - and in a deadfic - I go with Dark Magician of Chaos. And there's the thought when Yuugi helps Atem summon Ra and I think maybe he was once his ka somehow. ...and then that goes into the whole "Is Yuugi really (part of) the Pharaoh himself?" debate that amuses and irks me at once and that's totally left field. x3 ( ... )

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made_in_wonder July 9 2011, 20:26:54 UTC
Pfff, yes. Or Ryou sitting there with all these books open, sketching it out. If he's making it for the museum (ostensibly...) he'd have good resources at his disposal.

Horakthty is a good choice for a possible Atem-ka! Since ka in Takahashi-Egypt aren't the same as the actual conception of ka, I could see having Horakhty as a ka being a Pharaoh thing - every Pharaoh, being essentially a god on earth, has this God as their ka....

(How often is that "what is Yuugi" debate waged? In this AU I'm having him be Atem and Mahad reborn/united in the same person because I'd already decided I wanted Ryo(ko) to be Black+Papyrus, but I really did always figure Yuugi just looked like that because -well, he did, no deeper connection. XD Genes-wise he's apparently Siamun's doppelganger's grandson....though there doesn't seem to have been rhyme nor reason to when figures got "repeated" with time.)

The rest of the priests operate canon-style, since all I've done is explicitly give magicians the ability to summon their personal ka without an Item - ( ... )

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free_for_a_phee July 9 2011, 20:49:44 UTC
I wonder if he has another room/corner of his house just tacked up with sketch paper and piles of notebooks and sketchbooks and so on. xD ( ... )

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APPARENTLY ON MY HOME COMPUTER I'M LOGGED IN AS PAPYRUS?! touzoku_kakumei July 9 2011, 21:23:45 UTC
Whatever, it gives me more AE icons.

If Candy can have a mini-library that wouldn't look out of place at Hogwarts, I don't see why canon Ryou can't be stocking up on ancient Egyptian literature. <3 He's the most traditionally "nerdy" of the group, though I feel odd saying that since Yuugi is - Yuugi. (But he is a different breed of "nerd".)

Oh, right, Falcos - derp. That's just animé, though, isn't it? Bakura doesn't pull that stunt in the manga. Since I started working on this AU I've actually been avoiding watching the AE arc too much, as so much changed in the adaptation. But point taken! (In this AU, his ka is Hasan/Shadi instead.)

Come to think of it, it sounded like Atem was the first person to be able to call one of the Gods, so that could also be potential backup for Horakhty being his ka. (His father has the "name of the Gods" quote, but everyone's floored when Obelisk actually appearsPff, I hear you about having multiple theories for multiple versions - and about feeling there'd be something, but not being sure what. XD ( ( ... )

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YnBakura creeps your kissy face, yep. free_for_a_phee July 10 2011, 02:28:25 UTC
Hey, his want of museum tours and a daddy of AE-study makes it quite a canon likelihood! But I know what you mean- Somehow the man pulls off the true nerd vibe, even in a world of Yuugi-heroes and card game popularity. Then again, a few canon peeks say Ryou might be popular himself, in a "polite but mysterious & reserved" way. x3 ( ... )

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This is the only icon I can possibly use in response. made_in_wonder July 10 2011, 02:44:05 UTC
Oh, I think it's pretty clear Ryou is popular with ~the ladeez~....and has no idea how to take it. XD I wonder if any poor girl has ever actually managed to get alone time with him, only for him to whip out a status sheet. SO DO YOU WANT TO BE AN ELF OR A HUMAN OR A FAIRY OR--

I...don't think? people can have more than one personal ka (though what happens to everyone who gets their ka sealed in a slab is another matter - does it regenerate as a "good" ka now that the evil is gone?). As for Hasan/Shadi, he was sealed in the Items tablet by Atem's dad to protect Atem: he expresses that explicitly. So really all I did was say that instead of him being the "spirit of the tablet" or whatever, he's Atem's dad's ka, sealed there to protect his son even after his own death.

But yes, in this AU, Shadi is...half of a Pharaoh. Presumably after the Items were no longer needed he too went to rest and Akhenamkanen's soul is whole in the afterlife.

Where the slabs came from....man, God only knows. I'd say their design was inspired by drawings in ( ... )

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/drums a guitar as that song plays~ (on a very wrong account) corruptphoenix July 10 2011, 05:34:43 UTC
And yet in the ygo world that might not be the strangest of strange dating moves. Or I assume- Logic says general gaming can't be as popular as it seems, at least early series. It just recently hit me that "wait, games are hot in the YGO world thanks to Kaiba's tech help, isn't it? Thanks~ Kaiba ( ... )

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and then i had an enormous school project made_in_wonder July 13 2011, 13:13:27 UTC
((Three more weeks. I can do this!!))

Ooh, yes. Yugioh high school is full of gamers...and horribly violent delinquents. And horribly violent delinquent gamers. (I love that the guy Kaiba defeats to show off Obelisk is a "villain of the chapter" from season 0. Apparently the punishment game wore off.) Ryou might indeed not be that off-putting.

I don't think there's a direct connection between Shadi and Shada at all, unfortunately. I'd say "Hasan based the form he assumed to protect the Items off of Shada, becoming Shadi", but that doesn't work: when Hasan is giving his life in the game world to save Atem & co, his mask strips off and reveals Shadi's face is already there. More messy writing from Takahashi? (I can track down exactly what Hasan says to describe who he is if you like - not right now, I'm not in my apartment, but later.)

My upcoming fic for journeystory may involve Black and Papyrus learning of the Millennium Tome and deciding to steal it. Perhaps. They have to learn everything Thief King canonically knows about Items (i.e., more ( ... )

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