Turns out BSG fans have some visible tendencies in their preferences and it makes me smile :) Hee! Yes, so it seems. *g*
I'd say Tyrion and Kara are similar in many ways. Tyrion is not as self-destructive as she is, but he also has plenty of self-hatred inside Oh, interesting. I'd agree that Tyrion would be in my top five. He's fascinating and a successfully human 'villain'. I wonder if in part Tyrion doesn't need to be so self-destructive as Kara because life is constantly heaping shit on him anyway. ;-) But I think he also lacks Kara's heroism. Even if Kara does it for personal glory, she's more overtly a hero than Tyrion.
he's the one who will make hard calls, sometimes wrong calls, but I think he won't repeat his father's mistake: just as Lee Adama is more flexible than his father, Jon has also more abilities to survive the politics by playing dirty at times, soiling his hands and his soul partly.. True! Definitely true. I just wish he'd get off the bloody wall. ;-) Hee! I like Jon as a character, I want to enjoy his parts more than I do.
Wanna know what Kara was like when she was a child? SO TRUE. :-) I love Arya. And I think the cruelty she suffered after she was separated from her family gives her the equivalent darkness to Kara though from a different source. It means she'll stay loyal to the family, rather than seek alternative parent figures like Kara. But interesting that both of them are given a spiritual/religous aspect too...
until we had a chance to look into his head and read his thoughts I love that! I love it when authors show us the gap between public image and inner reality. I love Jaime. I love him even more because I hated him to begin with. And Brienne with Jaime is just wonderful.
Aww, you liked Sandor! He was very striking and distinctive. I can understand that.
who from those *alive* characters we know - knows Eddard's little secret? :) Hmmm... that IS a good question. Makes me want to run back to my books and work it out.
I wonder if in part Tyrion doesn't need to be so self-destructive as Kara because life is constantly heaping shit on him anyway. ;-)
Yeah, life doesn't spoil him to say the least. But everyone has his own way of dealing with pain.
Kara's self-destructive hell is rather unique. It all comes from the conviction that she's the curse of the world and that she destroys everything she touches. Vicious circle: she does something awful, hurts people, brakes their lives, then she terribly *needs* to be punished; she gets her punishment and in the course of time she can even get a forgiveness, but despite the fact that she craves for forgiveness - when she gets even it she's overwhelmed by the realisation that such an ugly spawn (as she sees herself) doesn't deserve to be forgiven - that's where she spirals back to the need of a punishment for getting something she doesn't deserve or even desiring it - and the circle is locked.
Tyrion doesn't have exactly _that. But at least one of his parents didn't love him by comparison to his brother and sister. And that's a big deal if you think about it. More than any other character in ASOIAF he believes he can't be loved. And he's trying to cope with that by sharpening his brain and astuteness like one of the finest longswords in the inner hope that maybe this weapon will be able to help him to redeem at least the acknowledgement and respect of the certain people he loves. Jaime is one of them; his father was. And Shaya too. The last two betrayed him emotionally; as for Jaime - Tyrion thinks he betrayed him as well.
My top five... mmm Jaime, Brienne, Arya, Dany, Jon. Shit! Tyrion missed out. Grr. Maybe I'd swap him for Brienne, actually. I love her as a contrast to Jaime but she's not as strong in her own right. Yes. *nods* I would swap them.
Kara's self-destructive hell is rather unique. Perhaps in fiction... I've certainly met people like that in real life though. ;-)
as for Jaime - Tyrion thinks he betrayed him as well. Oh, their scene in the cell! *clutches heart* That tore me to pieces.
I think that now Jon is stuck at the Wall, at least until his parentage is revealed. But things are going to get much more intense there in the Dance with Stannis, the others and lots of upcoming problems.
I think the cruelty she suffered after she was separated from her family gives her the equivalent darkness to Kara though from a different source. It means she'll stay loyal to the family, rather than seek alternative parent figures like Kara.
Good point :) It also means she'll still trust her family. Kara doesn't.
But interesting that both of them are given a spiritual/religous aspect too...
Yeah, Arya's every evening prayers are hard to forget... You made me remember and seek out a one-shot fic I liked about pilots... about Kara's childhood as it might have been: http://www.geocities.com/tropiques_sol/Mementoes.html I don't know if you read it or not but it's beautifully written and when I came across it for the first time some of the lines made me think about Arya a lot. :) Actually it's not my thing to compare the characters from tv-series and books, but this is some special case I guess :)
I love that! I love it when authors show us the gap between public image and inner reality.
It's a really strong side of Martin's writing.
I love Jaime. I love him even more because I hated him to begin with. And Brienne with Jaime is just wonderful.
I can talk about him nearly as much as I can rant about Jon and Tyrion :) Jaime/Brienne plotline is one of the strongest in the Storm and it continues to be despite that they're spatially separated now.
Hmmm... that IS a good question. Makes me want to run back to my books and work it out.
I brought it up because one of these days I just thought there *must* be someone who actually knows. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense at all, because if there's no one alive who knows, then how will the mighty of the Seven Kingdoms and more importantly - Jon himself - discover the truth?
things are going to get much more intense there in the Dance with Stannis, the others and lots of upcoming problems You're right. Hopefully they will be intense in a way that I enjoy. *g* I think so actually... I suspect the flat period (for me) is over for Jon--he's taken some big steps along the path to maturity so I can see things improving (from a dramatic perspective!) from here on.
Thanks for the fic rec--it's a lovely piece that I doubt I would have read otherwise. *G*
Jaime/Brienne plotline is one of the strongest in the Storm and it continues to be despite that they're spatially separated now. *nods* Yes--they're just such a wonderful contrast to one another. I love paired opposites and they're definitely that, and they're on parallel journeys. The bearpit scene is one of my favourites in the whole series.
I just thought there *must* be someone who actually knows. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense at all I'm desperately trying to think but my memory is failing me... I agree--there must be a connection. But... *frowns*
Turns out BSG fans have some visible tendencies in their preferences and it makes me smile :)
Hee! Yes, so it seems. *g*
I'd say Tyrion and Kara are similar in many ways. Tyrion is not as self-destructive as she is, but he also has plenty of self-hatred inside
Oh, interesting. I'd agree that Tyrion would be in my top five. He's fascinating and a successfully human 'villain'. I wonder if in part Tyrion doesn't need to be so self-destructive as Kara because life is constantly heaping shit on him anyway. ;-) But I think he also lacks Kara's heroism. Even if Kara does it for personal glory, she's more overtly a hero than Tyrion.
he's the one who will make hard calls, sometimes wrong calls, but I think he won't repeat his father's mistake: just as Lee Adama is more flexible than his father, Jon has also more abilities to survive the politics by playing dirty at times, soiling his hands and his soul partly..
True! Definitely true. I just wish he'd get off the bloody wall. ;-) Hee! I like Jon as a character, I want to enjoy his parts more than I do.
Wanna know what Kara was like when she was a child?
SO TRUE. :-) I love Arya. And I think the cruelty she suffered after she was separated from her family gives her the equivalent darkness to Kara though from a different source. It means she'll stay loyal to the family, rather than seek alternative parent figures like Kara. But interesting that both of them are given a spiritual/religous aspect too...
until we had a chance to look into his head and read his thoughts
I love that! I love it when authors show us the gap between public image and inner reality. I love Jaime. I love him even more because I hated him to begin with. And Brienne with Jaime is just wonderful.
Aww, you liked Sandor! He was very striking and distinctive. I can understand that.
who from those *alive* characters we know - knows Eddard's little secret? :)
Hmmm... that IS a good question. Makes me want to run back to my books and work it out.
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I still want to know who your top five are ;)
I wonder if in part Tyrion doesn't need to be so self-destructive as Kara because life is constantly heaping shit on him anyway. ;-)
Yeah, life doesn't spoil him to say the least. But everyone has his own way of dealing with pain.
Kara's self-destructive hell is rather unique. It all comes from the conviction that she's the curse of the world and that she destroys everything she touches. Vicious circle: she does something awful, hurts people, brakes their lives, then she terribly *needs* to be punished; she gets her punishment and in the course of time she can even get a forgiveness, but despite the fact that she craves for forgiveness - when she gets even it she's overwhelmed by the realisation that such an ugly spawn (as she sees herself) doesn't deserve to be forgiven - that's where she spirals back to the need of a punishment for getting something she doesn't deserve or even desiring it - and the circle is locked.
Tyrion doesn't have exactly _that. But at least one of his parents didn't love him by comparison to his brother and sister. And that's a big deal if you think about it. More than any other character in ASOIAF he believes he can't be loved. And he's trying to cope with that by sharpening his brain and astuteness like one of the finest longswords in the inner hope that maybe this weapon will be able to help him to redeem at least the acknowledgement and respect of the certain people he loves. Jaime is one of them; his father was. And Shaya too. The last two betrayed him emotionally; as for Jaime - Tyrion thinks he betrayed him as well.
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Kara's self-destructive hell is rather unique.
Perhaps in fiction... I've certainly met people like that in real life though. ;-)
as for Jaime - Tyrion thinks he betrayed him as well.
Oh, their scene in the cell! *clutches heart* That tore me to pieces.
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I think that now Jon is stuck at the Wall, at least until his parentage is revealed. But things are going to get much more intense there in the Dance with Stannis, the others and lots of upcoming problems.
I think the cruelty she suffered after she was separated from her family gives her the equivalent darkness to Kara though from a different source. It means she'll stay loyal to the family, rather than seek alternative parent figures like Kara.
Good point :) It also means she'll still trust her family. Kara doesn't.
But interesting that both of them are given a spiritual/religous aspect too...
Yeah, Arya's every evening prayers are hard to forget... You made me remember and seek out a one-shot fic I liked about pilots... about Kara's childhood as it might have been: http://www.geocities.com/tropiques_sol/Mementoes.html
I don't know if you read it or not but it's beautifully written and when I came across it for the first time some of the lines made me think about Arya a lot. :)
Actually it's not my thing to compare the characters from tv-series and books, but this is some special case I guess :)
I love that! I love it when authors show us the gap between public image and inner reality.
It's a really strong side of Martin's writing.
I love Jaime. I love him even more because I hated him to begin with. And Brienne with Jaime is just wonderful.
I can talk about him nearly as much as I can rant about Jon and Tyrion :) Jaime/Brienne plotline is one of the strongest in the Storm and it continues to be despite that they're spatially separated now.
Hmmm... that IS a good question. Makes me want to run back to my books and work it out.
I brought it up because one of these days I just thought there *must* be someone who actually knows. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense at all, because if there's no one alive who knows, then how will the mighty of the Seven Kingdoms and more importantly - Jon himself - discover the truth?
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You're right. Hopefully they will be intense in a way that I enjoy. *g* I think so actually... I suspect the flat period (for me) is over for Jon--he's taken some big steps along the path to maturity so I can see things improving (from a dramatic perspective!) from here on.
Thanks for the fic rec--it's a lovely piece that I doubt I would have read otherwise. *G*
Jaime/Brienne plotline is one of the strongest in the Storm and it continues to be despite that they're spatially separated now.
*nods* Yes--they're just such a wonderful contrast to one another. I love paired opposites and they're definitely that, and they're on parallel journeys. The bearpit scene is one of my favourites in the whole series.
I just thought there *must* be someone who actually knows. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense at all
I'm desperately trying to think but my memory is failing me... I agree--there must be a connection. But... *frowns*
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