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book_bitch January 8 2008, 11:14:50 UTC
Where is the money for all that going to come from? Remember, the guy was the mayor of Cleveland... and the city went into default. What would he do to the whole friggin' country?

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Kucinich rah rah lytabenten January 8 2008, 12:09:48 UTC
He was vindicated for that by the city council and the US Senate. The city was forced into default by First Energy as a ploy to strong arm him into selling a local power plant that had been preventing them from price gouging. His resolve eventually saved the city several million dollars.

Between repealing some of the ridiculous tax cuts from 2001 and cutting way back on the projected 137 billion+ we're spending on just the Iraq war (not including additional requested funds that amount to something like 45 billion, but don't quote me until I download adobe and the budget overview on this comp), and quite possibly modest tax increases (hell, I'd be willing to pay an immodest tax increase for universal health care and free education), I think he could build something great.

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lytabenten January 8 2008, 12:19:58 UTC
To clarify, First Energy leaned on several major banks to not forgive the city's short term loans in a bid to force him to sell the plant. They didn't, like, cut his brake lines or kidnap his family and then send him threatening notes. Officially. Dude did have the mafia on him though, and tin hats tell stories.

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book_bitch January 8 2008, 16:27:18 UTC
Oh, I know about the whole First Energy thing. I think the reasonable thing to do would've been to sell the friggin' plant. As for tax increases and cutting the spending on the "war"... I think we (the general population) are already being taxed too much and, oh God, don't even get me started on Iraq and why immediate withdrawl is a horrible idea. Yeah, we need to get out, but there are some problems with just up and leaving... although I'll agree with you that cutting spending there would be pretty rad. :)

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lytabenten January 8 2008, 21:45:44 UTC
Well, his not selling the plant prevented a monopoly and saved us some fairly exorbitant utility bills, so I'm willing to cut him some slack.

I suppose that's where we differ. I'd be willing to pay Canada taxes for the things he's proposing instead of the social Darwinism we have in place now. And iirc his proposal for withdraw from Iraq involves replacing US soldiers with an ISAF which would be smaller and much better trained for the situation, as well as being supported by NATO. So they wouldn't be left to fend for themselves.

I'd be giddy if we could get even a fraction of the 5.5 billion (projected) Ohio is contributing to Iraq this year reduced. That's a lot of potholes and construction that won't be delayed because of a lack of funds. And damn it I'm tired of having to drive an extra ten minutes to get around the construction on 150th.

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