Comments | lyssie: BSG meta: Sam Anders, marriage, etc.

lyssie

BSG meta: Sam Anders, marriage, etc.

Feb 01, 2007 18:59

Will contain spoilers through Taking a Break, read at own risk, etc.
( Oh, fandom... )

rambling, pairing:kara/anders

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centerspire February 2 2007, 01:14:40 UTC

You feel better now, don't you? (HEE.) I need a misses his wife icon.

lyssie February 2 2007, 01:58:30 UTC

Kinda. This is what happens when I poke the Skiffy boards.

centerspire February 2 2007, 02:42:59 UTC

I learned my lesson with the tf.n boards...

lyssie February 2 2007, 03:29:44 UTC

heh. and, er, here. (like this one?)

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dangermousie February 2 2007, 01:17:11 UTC

I happen to like both Lee/Kara (or I used to before the writers messed it up) and Kara/Sam. Do I think she loves them both? Yes.

She is always going to be tangled with Lee in some fashion: they have too much between them: the fact that they were almost family at one point, that they were such good friends for a long time etc etc. (I'd also add that they were both treated as children by Adama but Kara as Adama's daughter seems to have fallen down a hole like so many other things in the show ( ... )

sabaceanbabe February 2 2007, 01:48:39 UTC

Kara/Sam are a lot more viable in the long term and healthier. In part because Sam is much more laid back and willing to take what Kara can give as opposed to wanting more, wanting everything, something he will never have.

I think this speaks to why Helo and Kara seem to be such good friends, too. Helo accepts her as she is and doesn't try to change her, which is exactly what Sam is doing. Sam is not only willing to let Kara be Kara, he WANTS her to be Kara, flaws and all.

lyssie February 2 2007, 01:59:58 UTC

And, see, I've never ever understood the part where Kara and Lee were the Best of Friends. Acquaintances, yes. Friends by necessity, yes. Best Friends Forever and Ever?

...who don't talk for two years.

Yup. That's what I'd call that.

dangermousie February 2 2007, 02:04:35 UTC

That would go to them being almost family in their friendship. My grandmother didn't talk to her sister for a decade over god-knows-what. And then they made up and that was it and it's as if the breach has never been.

I think that would go to the notion they really can't stay apart if they are in the vicinity of each other. Look at Unfinished Business. Or the mini. Or Captain's Hand. When there is a fight, however bad, they seem to need to make up.

But YMMV may vary, of course. It's just to me it has never been implausible. It's clear Lee is very emotionally important to Kara (and so is Anders, duh :D), but I doubt he is the be all and end all of her existence, and it's mixed in with a whole lot of bagage :D Thank God or that way lies fruity beverage fic.

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sabaceanbabe February 2 2007, 01:45:06 UTC

Awesome post. Kara and Sam are good for each other. They SHOULD be together, dammit.

Now, that being said, how are you with an OT4 consisting of Sam/Kara/Helo/Sharon? *glares at raincitygirl*

lyssie February 2 2007, 02:00:31 UTC

....Too many arms.

dangermousie February 2 2007, 02:01:20 UTC

Well, some of them might tie it behind their backs :P

lyssie February 2 2007, 04:48:29 UTC

That could work. But. Dude, the logistics of a threesome is hard enough. With four, you've got four pairs of arms, four pairs of genitalia, and countless tongues, other body parts and, how does that all fit together? We're talking Roman orgy, here!

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surreallis February 2 2007, 03:46:23 UTC

There's a certain type of shipper that will never change, isn't there? They just move from fandom to fandom.

The only thing I want to do in this big mess is shake Dee and tell her she deserves better. At least Kara obviously loves Anders. I totally didn't believe Lee in his little speech to Dee. I just want to grab that girl and take her out for a drink and introduce her to someone who will be the man she deserves.

mrushgdi February 2 2007, 03:56:17 UTC

I'll help. I think I've even found reinforcements for you. Lots of people seem to think Dee was a total idiot. And she is. Why would you EVER settle for being second choice???

lyssie February 2 2007, 03:56:17 UTC

YES. And, sadly, I still think Jaka is scarier. (speaking of which, if I ever actually post the words, "Kara/Lee makes me sick to my stomach" if you DO NOT IMMEDIATELY SMACK ME and demand to know if I'm a pod person, I will be saddened. And possibly drunk.)

I just wish they'd made Lee's obsessions (with duty, love, etc) more rounded! Or that the writers knew what to do with him.

I shall start shipping Dee/Leoben, at this rate...

lizardbeth_j February 2 2007, 05:36:38 UTC

I don't want to know what prompted this, do I? No, I'm sure I don't.

Y'know I agree with every single little word. Even "the" and "of"!

Although I think the "if you love him, then go to him" was even more significant to her. Because this was him releasing her. She was getting permission to be absolutely free again. And then she didn't like it as much as she thought she would, especially when he laid the "I love you" on her. Because, being free would mean she also wouldn't get that any more too.

So then she went to Lee, to find out if he meant what he'd said in the Raptor. And found out he didn't. So she shut the door on that path (I HOPE AND PRAY), and went back to Sam, who is the only person who really does love her unconditionally and you're right, has the ego to give-and-take with her.

lyssie February 2 2007, 06:25:55 UTC

Buncha little things, and then Skiffy boards, and, omg. No. You don't.

YAY.

Well, yes. Being free wasn't what she wanted at all, apparently. It was ok when the freedom was on HER terms, though. When she was the one pushing.

(if so, I will wonder if Ron got bitchslapped a lot)

Seriously. Her ego is, like, massive. (pyramid as foreplay, ftw, as always)

epp. bedimte! *runs*

lizardbeth_j February 2 2007, 07:28:13 UTC

But the freedom before wasn't really free, because she wouldn't divorce. But yeah, she was pushing. Her behavior with Sam, now that I think about it, reminds me a lot of my toddler, testing the boundaries. 'okay, I'm going to tell you to go away, are you still gonna love me?' 'Now I'm going to treat you like my personal boy toy, still gonna love me? Now I'm going to frak Lee, still gonna love me? Then finally we got to the "Then go to him -- AND I'LL STILL LOVE YOU." There was no limit. And she got to Lee and found out, oops, there's a limit.

The more I think about it the more brilliant that scene with Sam is. (even if TWOP doesn't get it, at all *sigh*).

sabaceanbabe February 2 2007, 18:22:36 UTC

And it makes perfect sense that Kara would be that kind of immature in an adult relationship, based on what we've seen of her personality and backstory and Lee has that same kind of immaturity going on. Sam? Sam ain't no little boy. He's all man, baby. Yes.

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