Better a home in an actual orphanage in Jakarta than the orphan's other main alternative...the brothel. Personally I'd rather see a child being 'indoctrinated' in a Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, heck ANY faith in even an unauthorized orphanage as long as they were getting kind treatment and food and clothing without having to pay for it by being raped repeatedly every night. I think orphanages founded by any religion are the least of our worries, wouldn't you say?
Call me idealistic, but I believed the concept of forcing religion upon others is deeply wrong. I mean I could understand if these missionaries were just taking them in, because a Christian orphanage without the lectures is great, true. But the concept of the missionaries wanting to "plant Christian principles as early as possible" disturbs me greatly. Their religion is their heritage, it's disgusting that those missionaries would want to take that away from those poor children. They should be ashamed of themselves
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I think maybe you've got a misguided idea that all Christians are the same ;) We're honestly not all a bunch of hypocrites who are out to reform the world by force...the majority of REAL Christians hope to make an impact just by caring for others and sharing their faith. Just because these people wanting to build an orphanage to care for the kids and at the same time share their faith does NOT mean that they are going to forcefeed religion into the kids day after day after day and beat them if they don't convert. If the kids decide to stay Muslim, real Christians will respect that. They may not like it but they'll let the kids choose. If you think the forcible way is how Christians work, I'd hate to think what kinds of people calling themselves 'Christians' you've run up against
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Sure they'd love it if the kids did eventually become Christians, but Christian principles don't always mean converting, evangelizing, etc.
Even bigger Christians principles than those are things like loving the people around you, learning not to steal, having faith that your life has some kind of purpose, learning to share what you have, interacting with kindness. It's as simple as that. The world could do with more real Christian principles and it'd be a better place.
Ok. But..Bush is Christian. And he considers his war on iraq to be doing your God's will.
The point is, those missionaries view the beliefs of Islam to be in some way inferior to their own. Do you deny that Christians believe their way is the only way to a positive afterlife?
Bush quite honestly isn't looking at this as a 'holy war' of one religion against another, I don't know where you get that...and you know it's more complex than to boil it down into the brainwashed mantra of "Christian = bad, anything else = good".
And yeah what of the fact that we believe the only way to heaven is through Christ? Other religions think they're the only way too, to the point of persecuting and torturing the people around them if they don't believe the same. You know, I think it says something that the supposedly "Christian" nation of America is tolerant of having Muslim mosques in their big cities but if Christians in a predominately Muslim area want to found a church, they have to do it underground and can lose their jobs, be thrown in prison, and even be killed if the Muslims find out. Is it any wonder that Christians don't exactly think the Islamic way is best?
You act like Christians don't kill in the name of religion either. Witch trials? Catholic church believes in your God, they're responsible for the highest stats for ethnic cleansing in the history of man kind. Your conversion of none-believers has been nothing if not riddled with violent wars, though I will conceed in recent times, there have been less to name, but don't tell me it's ok to have mosques in big cities in America, because we both know it's not. They get persecuted. They get locked in prison in Cuba for simply looking like terrorists. Read about Mamdouh Habib, Anna
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Oh I'm not saying Christianity's got an entirely clean history, I'm well aware, being a history major, of the many shortcomings of its religious leaders. But I'm not talking about the past, I'm talking about the present and what's going on now and what needs to be changed. Should we settle for persecution of ANY party? And I wouldn't compare a few rude comments or isolated incidents of discrimination in America to a suicide bombing of a church on Christmas Eve in Iraq.
And the detention of Arabs doesn't have anything to do with their religion. Race and religion are different and I have other opinions on racial profiling.
And just because Bush says his position of President is God's will doesn't mean he's tagging the war as God's direct will.
And yes there are fundamentalists who need a good talking to and there always will be in every religion.
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Actually we'd argue that Christianity is indeed the oldest religion: Judaism is only Christianity stopped short, since we believe that the whole reason the nation of Israel was started in ancient times was to prepare itself to recieve the Messiah (whom they say hasn't come yet) and whom Christians believe the Bible points to as being Jesus. So the Jewish people kind of missed the train and are still sitting around waiting for what we believe already happened as is pointed to throughout the Jewish Torah, the Nebi'im, and the Ketubim. Christianity has its roots just as far back as any other religion can claim; the 'Jewish' history is just as much ours.
Personally I'd rather see a child being 'indoctrinated' in a Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, heck ANY faith in even an unauthorized orphanage as long as they were getting kind treatment and food and clothing without having to pay for it by being raped repeatedly every night.
I think orphanages founded by any religion are the least of our worries, wouldn't you say?
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"plant Christian principles as early as possible"
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Sure they'd love it if the kids did eventually become Christians, but Christian principles don't always mean converting, evangelizing, etc.
Even bigger Christians principles than those are things like loving the people around you, learning not to steal, having faith that your life has some kind of purpose, learning to share what you have, interacting with kindness. It's as simple as that. The world could do with more real Christian principles and it'd be a better place.
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The point is, those missionaries view the beliefs of Islam to be in some way inferior to their own. Do you deny that Christians believe their way is the only way to a positive afterlife?
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And yeah what of the fact that we believe the only way to heaven is through Christ? Other religions think they're the only way too, to the point of persecuting and torturing the people around them if they don't believe the same. You know, I think it says something that the supposedly "Christian" nation of America is tolerant of having Muslim mosques in their big cities but if Christians in a predominately Muslim area want to found a church, they have to do it underground and can lose their jobs, be thrown in prison, and even be killed if the Muslims find out. Is it any wonder that Christians don't exactly think the Islamic way is best?
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And the detention of Arabs doesn't have anything to do with their religion. Race and religion are different and I have other opinions on racial profiling.
And just because Bush says his position of President is God's will doesn't mean he's tagging the war as God's direct will.
And yes there are fundamentalists who need a good talking to and there always will be in every religion.
EDIT: I tell ya...I get so interested in trying to work out a reply that I forget where to put it...
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