Sorry for the long answer DxlukadronJune 12 2011, 21:03:57 UTC
Amen to this. Magneto's moves were pretty smooth, yes. I truely enjoyed the fact that he could kill with the tiniest amount of metal and that scene with the two Nazis and the barman? Sweet jesus, what a fast flying knife. That was one of the only plusses in my book regarding Erik. His efficiency at times.
I have to agree with every single point you mentioned here, as well. The 60s movements would have offered a good basis for Magneto's arguments and even Charles would have had to agree that there was truth in them. I had not seen any of that, however. Despite all the sexism in the movie itself, was that a hint or just a way to capture the male fanboys' attention??
Of courses the XMen will go now for Vietnam. Any good mutant will want to do that, Logan and Sabertooth are already there~ Afterwards they'll stop the third world War and Erik will die at the hands of Dr Manhatten Professor X, CRYING. Lol. Man, I hated how they shoved in Kennedy in the middle of the movie just to make sure the audience gets that it's THE 60s, historical accuracy whee~. Fuck that.
CHARLES AND ERIK'S BREAK UP MADE NO SENSE. Seriously, I actually laughed when Erik says, "Yo Sebastian Shaw, Ima let you finish, but the Nazis had the best motives of ALL TIME (buttheykilledmymommy)". I mean, WAT. And remind me again why Erik puts on the helmet? Has Charles actually done anything to make him think he'd betray him like that? Surely he's done something to warrant leaving him on the beach to bleed out? It's like the writers got to the two hours and twenty minute mark, realized Magneto still wasn't evil yet and threw up their hands and said ROCKS FALL, PEOPLE GET PARALYZED.
THIS! Forever this! Really, and the whole thing with Charles yelling "Noooo" when it was clear Erik could not hear him. Instead of unfriezing Shaw and using his body as a means to communicate with his 'friend' (whom he's known for... a week? Two?) he just keeps pressing his fingers harder against his temple. It would have left a bigger impression on Erik, I am sure, and Charles has showed he has the power to speak through other people. :| Everything after Shaw's death was especially ridiculous, oh man. Crying Charles, crying Erik, then he goes all "ok, who's with me on this?" and Azazel, the quiet Tornado!Guy and Miss Firefly are like "You killed our boss, but whatever, we're cool. We'll just follow you, doesn't matter what you plan or who you are." WHAT since when does the helmet crown a mutant leader of the brotherhood?
Re: Sorry for the long answer Dx 2/2lukadronJune 12 2011, 21:04:26 UTC
(Argh, character limit, I curse you!)
Let me add some more to the list because arghhh I need to get this out of my system (this is going to take a week, I just know it, to fully process the FAIL):
- Where was the suvivor's guilt? Wouldn't it have made more sense for Erik to be a Mossad agent? I also wished they had just used the footage of the first XMen and left it at that without trying to add more to it with the death of Erik's mother. It kind of trivialised the whole thing, the horrors endured, basing his sole reason for revenge apparently only on her murder. We would have known his parents had not made it without the extra information, we also know that they would have conducted experiments on him thanks to his awesome performance at the gates. Hinting at the things he must have endured with a similar scene and a very crossed face with Charles' frowning worriedly at him would have been quite enough to let you realise: that shit left scars no one can possibly overcome.
They did try to hint at it, of course by shoving his tattoed number INTO YOUR FACE. And yes, he had a map of Nazis that he apparently hunted, but only for the purpose of getting at Shaw, who was not even a German (just your standard villain. Pfrrrt when he put on the record of La Vie En Rose, I was kind of laughing. It's so cliché). But their failed in their message to truely deliver Erik's feeling here. :C Also that scene in the bar, where they talked German? Kinda made me think of Inglorious Basterds, just to show that Michael CAN SPEAK TEH GERMAN OHMY. I still don't get why Shaw needed to be a mutant, too. You wouldn't have needed that, srslyyyyyy gnnnh.
- The way they got their names? Erik's insistence on being called ~Magneto~ at the end? NO. God.
- Hank and Raven's little love story happened immediately after the first night of knowing one another, getting super intimate and resulting in Hanks ultimate mutation because he wants to be normal... WHO WANTS TO BE NORMAL WHEN YOU HAVE AWESOME POWERS LIKE THAT? WHOOOOO. I will never understand why superheroes whine about their abilities.
- I cannot believe they let Charles be such a chauvinistic asshole who thinks he can convince people of his point because he's a telepath. He doesn't even know Erik, only that he rescues him (why did he do that? Because he's such a good guy? I haven't seen any true empathy through the whole movie, just his need for people to notice how awesome he is). Also yes, let your adopted sister work as a waitress while you bang up chicks with your degree. Talk about value of life.
- The blatant visual of the devil (Azazel) and the angle in white (Emma) left a taste of vomit in my mouth. I see what you did there, marvel studios ò_ó
Alright, I am done for now. Sorry that the rant was so long.
I think a lot of people came to the same conclusion @Thor. It was more honest, it was focused with a real conflict at heart. It was the story of how Loki turned. Erik didn't turn, he just was a 'conflicted' angry individual and at the end of the movie, he had acquired The Helmet :/ On the other hand, we can now fully appreciate Tom Hiddleston's performance even more.
edit: That young Erik, though? He looked like a child!copy of Ian McKellen, I am not kidding. I sat in my chair, just staring °_°
I have to agree with every single point you mentioned here, as well. The 60s movements would have offered a good basis for Magneto's arguments and even Charles would have had to agree that there was truth in them. I had not seen any of that, however. Despite all the sexism in the movie itself, was that a hint or just a way to capture the male fanboys' attention??
Of courses the XMen will go now for Vietnam. Any good mutant will want to do that, Logan and Sabertooth are already there~ Afterwards they'll stop the third world War and Erik will die at the hands of Dr Manhatten Professor X, CRYING. Lol. Man, I hated how they shoved in Kennedy in the middle of the movie just to make sure the audience gets that it's THE 60s, historical accuracy whee~. Fuck that.
CHARLES AND ERIK'S BREAK UP MADE NO SENSE. Seriously, I actually laughed when Erik says, "Yo Sebastian Shaw, Ima let you finish, but the Nazis had the best motives of ALL TIME (buttheykilledmymommy)". I mean, WAT. And remind me again why Erik puts on the helmet? Has Charles actually done anything to make him think he'd betray him like that? Surely he's done something to warrant leaving him on the beach to bleed out? It's like the writers got to the two hours and twenty minute mark, realized Magneto still wasn't evil yet and threw up their hands and said ROCKS FALL, PEOPLE GET PARALYZED.
THIS! Forever this!
Really, and the whole thing with Charles yelling "Noooo" when it was clear Erik could not hear him. Instead of unfriezing Shaw and using his body as a means to communicate with his 'friend' (whom he's known for... a week? Two?) he just keeps pressing his fingers harder against his temple. It would have left a bigger impression on Erik, I am sure, and Charles has showed he has the power to speak through other people. :|
Everything after Shaw's death was especially ridiculous, oh man. Crying Charles, crying Erik, then he goes all "ok, who's with me on this?" and Azazel, the quiet Tornado!Guy and Miss Firefly are like "You killed our boss, but whatever, we're cool. We'll just follow you, doesn't matter what you plan or who you are." WHAT since when does the helmet crown a mutant leader of the brotherhood?
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Let me add some more to the list because arghhh I need to get this out of my system (this is going to take a week, I just know it, to fully process the FAIL):
- Where was the suvivor's guilt? Wouldn't it have made more sense for Erik to be a Mossad agent? I also wished they had just used the footage of the first XMen and left it at that without trying to add more to it with the death of Erik's mother. It kind of trivialised the whole thing, the horrors endured, basing his sole reason for revenge apparently only on her murder. We would have known his parents had not made it without the extra information, we also know that they would have conducted experiments on him thanks to his awesome performance at the gates. Hinting at the things he must have endured with a similar scene and a very crossed face with Charles' frowning worriedly at him would have been quite enough to let you realise: that shit left scars no one can possibly overcome.
They did try to hint at it, of course by shoving his tattoed number INTO YOUR FACE. And yes, he had a map of Nazis that he apparently hunted, but only for the purpose of getting at Shaw, who was not even a German (just your standard villain. Pfrrrt when he put on the record of La Vie En Rose, I was kind of laughing. It's so cliché). But their failed in their message to truely deliver Erik's feeling here. :C Also that scene in the bar, where they talked German? Kinda made me think of Inglorious Basterds, just to show that Michael CAN SPEAK TEH GERMAN OHMY.
I still don't get why Shaw needed to be a mutant, too. You wouldn't have needed that, srslyyyyyy gnnnh.
- The way they got their names? Erik's insistence on being called ~Magneto~ at the end? NO. God.
- Hank and Raven's little love story happened immediately after the first night of knowing one another, getting super intimate and resulting in Hanks ultimate mutation because he wants to be normal... WHO WANTS TO BE NORMAL WHEN YOU HAVE AWESOME POWERS LIKE THAT? WHOOOOO. I will never understand why superheroes whine about their abilities.
- I cannot believe they let Charles be such a chauvinistic asshole who thinks he can convince people of his point because he's a telepath. He doesn't even know Erik, only that he rescues him (why did he do that? Because he's such a good guy? I haven't seen any true empathy through the whole movie, just his need for people to notice how awesome he is). Also yes, let your adopted sister work as a waitress while you bang up chicks with your degree. Talk about value of life.
- The blatant visual of the devil (Azazel) and the angle in white (Emma) left a taste of vomit in my mouth. I see what you did there, marvel studios ò_ó
Alright, I am done for now. Sorry that the rant was so long.
I think a lot of people came to the same conclusion @Thor. It was more honest, it was focused with a real conflict at heart. It was the story of how Loki turned. Erik didn't turn, he just was a 'conflicted' angry individual and at the end of the movie, he had acquired The Helmet :/ On the other hand, we can now fully appreciate Tom Hiddleston's performance even more.
edit: That young Erik, though? He looked like a child!copy of Ian McKellen, I am not kidding. I sat in my chair, just staring °_°
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