Have I mentioned that his son has a black friend?

[ludickid]

In another lovely example of deliberate stupidity or utter ignorance, Dennis Prager, in the course of an otherwise tedious column about the Iraq War, lets drop this pile of offal:

We have not won the war in Iraq because of something completely unforeseeable: widespread massacres of Iraqi civilians by other Iraqis and Muslims. We have never seen

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[dignam]

Oh, I just re-discovered a great piece in my files from a straight-faced, absolutely serious Conservative who insists that the only way to continue America's role in the world of anti-totalitarianism is to construct a narrative that forgets about Vietnam. I'll reprint that section this evening if I can.

[ludickid]

That's great. So, in other words, in order to fight an ongoing war that bears a very close resemblance to Vietnam, we need to forget all the lessons we learned in Vietnam. BRILLIANT!

[dignam]

These are all people who went to very very fine universities, only to learn that success is acquired by kissing up, and kept by marketing down.

Shame about that little thing called the information age.

[ounceofreason]

So, wait, I don't get it. Are you saying Rumsfeld should have stayed...?

[ludickid]

I'm saying he should have left...TO BECOME PRESIDENT OF AMERICA!

are these guys STILL idiots?!

[picodulce]

Also, in the last 50 or so years, Iran hasn't been the land of unified peace. Then there are African republics that go all topsy turvy with the killing each other. Neither of these were to "remove an outside occupier" (is that what they're doing? The Shiites and Sunnis don't have their own 1000 year old beef?), but factions have been shooting at each other since the invention of the gun.

In a complete side note: the fear about pulling out of Iraq is that once we leave the violence will get worse. A few days ago, 100 people were kidnapped from a university; last month over 100 American soldiers were killed. I'd mention how many Iraqis were killed in that month, or per day, but we don't publish those figures, they might be gory.

So, exactly how much worse could it get? What great life-saving good are we doing? American-- I mean, coalition-- forces aren't filling up a vacuum. I don't know what they're doing. What are they doing? Don't republicans always want hard evidence of progress? Stats? Capitalistic results?

Re: are these guys STILL idiots?!

[ludickid]

Yeah, I wrote a thing a while back about how everyone says, hey, we can't just LEAVE, but I don't think there's any bad consequence of us leaving that isn't already happening.

As far as your comment about Africa and other countries, aren't you listening? THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED! WE HAVE NEVER EVER SEEN IT BEFORE LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

(i have a friend who would point out Africa is not a country.)

[picodulce]

You're right, what was I thinking? Crazy talk!

Actually, I think Prager's we refers not to America but to him and his drinking buddies at Chevy's. Or Applebee's. They've never seen mass murder personally!

[ludickid]

It totally does! Just look how peaceful Israel has been since 1948.

[adsinfinitum]

"It's like he thinks maps are magical, if you just create a national border it immediately makes everyone inside that arbitrary boundary love one another as brothers."

It's called heartography.

[calamityjon]

At this moment, Calamity Jon realizes in astonished shame "I never Friended this guy before now ..."

[stavner]

Read this:

http://tangotwo.blogspot.com/2006/11/new-political-dynamic-on-iraq-its-all_12.html

I hear this kind of thing from my mom all the time--she thinks we should let Saddam take power again.