Lobster's Notes, 23 August 2009
NOTE: This material only exists, ICly, in The Lobster's mind. They are reproduced here for my reference and others' OOC entertainment.
Person: the_hammer_is
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* Has returned from his death in California.
* Prefers to think he just got drugged while at some sort of wild party.
* Is, however, also being fed stories about how, at said fictional party, he had sex with another man, which is taking some of the joy out of his fantasies.
Person: holycablechrist
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* Will be hosting a party for all heroes at Avengers Mansion.
* Given how many will be there instead of active as normal, be prepared for additional action that day.
Person: 70_pull_weight
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* Starts a fairly contentious set of discussions over wadewilson's involvement in the Avengers (mainly because he's just been Ported out today) and iron_liver's direction of the team.
* According to russianreverse, he sleeps with "Moonstone" (currently a.k.a. canbleadernow), sometime in his future, apparently disregarding that she is "evil." This fact manages to undermine at least some of the authority he has in this discussion.
Person: russianreverse
(Also iron_liver )
* Also tells Barton about the nanobots Stark used on enigmaestro.
* Made public a conversation she had with Stark on 16 July:
++ She asked him for an explanation for the nanobots, refusing to accept any fabricated excuses about Nygma being legally insane.
-- He says he "ensured loyalty," which doesn't sound any better.
-- Also that Nygma's goal is to raise suspicion, as if Stark's actions in response wouldn't do that themselves.
-- Claims they don't control Nygma, but also says that they're so that Nygma doesn't meet with people like greengosborn. That this is itself control is something he refuses to accept.
-- Further claims to be able to predict the future, and therefore obligated to act to prevent it.
++ She disputes this claim, suggesting he's not speaking of having an actual power of prophecy. Something more like predicting an opponent's chess moves, perhaps?
++ Also, that if he actually did have prophetic abilities, she still doesn't think that gives him the right to do the wrong thing to avoid it, and that nanobots are not the only alternative to whatever doom he thinks is coming.
-- Did not try to simply incarcerate Nygma, because the only proof he has comes from "hacking cameras with my head."
*** How does he do this? Is it his power? Something related to the nanites he himself may or may not have? Is that how he's probably able to see posts locked from him? How he can access satellite camera feeds, not merely those of cameras within the City?
++ References someone named "Kang" -- presumably a villain of some sort from their world -- and likens Stark's justifications to something Kang would do.
++ Further disputes that the conflict over registration in their world was truly the "war" that it's commonly described as.
++ Romanova used to be an assassin for the KGB, but left when she realized that not even the right reason justifies doing the wrong thing.
-- Insists that it's his job to save this world for as long as he's here. Context suggests he means in some larger context than merely defending it against villainy. Chaos as a force to be opposed is mentioned, possibly suggesting a more than healthy fixation on control.
-- Asks for her trust in him, but without offering anything to show he's worthy of that trust.
-- Became suspicious regarding what Nygma was up to when he took an interest in the Avengers, and attempted to be involved in recommending additional members.
-- Also says that Nygma arranged some "EMP" incident that allowed antiduality to escape prison.
++ Tries to convince him that he needs to not try taking action entirely on his own, and to work with his friends and teammates instead.
-- "I wouldn't consider doing it to an entire populace." ...Once again, I have no words.
++ She's led the Avengers longer than he has.
++ More on "Kang:" Apparently once somehow made Stark kill a large number of people.
++ Additional references: "Onslaught," "Franklin Richards."
++ After "Onslaught," the Avengers team of the time, save Romanova, was temporarily all dead.
++ The dead Avengers team was then replaced by the original members of the "Thunderbolts..." whose leader was a Nazi. B|
++ Her story after this largely has to do with how she tried to do her version of what Stark has been trying to do, in their world and here, and how it's inherently the wrong approach.
-- He finally acknowledges that she is right, although he's not sure what to do about it.
++ The important thing is to start doing the right things, like getting evidence against Osborn to take him down.
++ Further suggests that getting Osborn's trust to gather information on him would be easier "if [she] were not [her]self."
*** Could she possibly also be the second "Black Widow" who arrived in the City a week later? It would make sense, if her goal is to play as someone with skills Osborn would be interested in, who could be expected never to be in the same place as Romanova.
Person: the_hammer_is
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* Has returned from his death in California.
* Prefers to think he just got drugged while at some sort of wild party.
* Is, however, also being fed stories about how, at said fictional party, he had sex with another man, which is taking some of the joy out of his fantasies.
Person: holycablechrist
[ ref]
* Will be hosting a party for all heroes at Avengers Mansion.
* Given how many will be there instead of active as normal, be prepared for additional action that day.
Person: 70_pull_weight
[ ref]
* Starts a fairly contentious set of discussions over wadewilson's involvement in the Avengers (mainly because he's just been Ported out today) and iron_liver's direction of the team.
* According to russianreverse, he sleeps with "Moonstone" (currently a.k.a. canbleadernow), sometime in his future, apparently disregarding that she is "evil." This fact manages to undermine at least some of the authority he has in this discussion.
Person: russianreverse
(Also iron_liver )
* Also tells Barton about the nanobots Stark used on enigmaestro.
* Made public a conversation she had with Stark on 16 July:
++ She asked him for an explanation for the nanobots, refusing to accept any fabricated excuses about Nygma being legally insane.
-- He says he "ensured loyalty," which doesn't sound any better.
-- Also that Nygma's goal is to raise suspicion, as if Stark's actions in response wouldn't do that themselves.
-- Claims they don't control Nygma, but also says that they're so that Nygma doesn't meet with people like greengosborn. That this is itself control is something he refuses to accept.
-- Further claims to be able to predict the future, and therefore obligated to act to prevent it.
++ She disputes this claim, suggesting he's not speaking of having an actual power of prophecy. Something more like predicting an opponent's chess moves, perhaps?
++ Also, that if he actually did have prophetic abilities, she still doesn't think that gives him the right to do the wrong thing to avoid it, and that nanobots are not the only alternative to whatever doom he thinks is coming.
-- Did not try to simply incarcerate Nygma, because the only proof he has comes from "hacking cameras with my head."
*** How does he do this? Is it his power? Something related to the nanites he himself may or may not have? Is that how he's probably able to see posts locked from him? How he can access satellite camera feeds, not merely those of cameras within the City?
++ References someone named "Kang" -- presumably a villain of some sort from their world -- and likens Stark's justifications to something Kang would do.
++ Further disputes that the conflict over registration in their world was truly the "war" that it's commonly described as.
++ Romanova used to be an assassin for the KGB, but left when she realized that not even the right reason justifies doing the wrong thing.
-- Insists that it's his job to save this world for as long as he's here. Context suggests he means in some larger context than merely defending it against villainy. Chaos as a force to be opposed is mentioned, possibly suggesting a more than healthy fixation on control.
-- Asks for her trust in him, but without offering anything to show he's worthy of that trust.
-- Became suspicious regarding what Nygma was up to when he took an interest in the Avengers, and attempted to be involved in recommending additional members.
-- Also says that Nygma arranged some "EMP" incident that allowed antiduality to escape prison.
++ Tries to convince him that he needs to not try taking action entirely on his own, and to work with his friends and teammates instead.
-- "I wouldn't consider doing it to an entire populace." ...Once again, I have no words.
++ She's led the Avengers longer than he has.
++ More on "Kang:" Apparently once somehow made Stark kill a large number of people.
++ Additional references: "Onslaught," "Franklin Richards."
++ After "Onslaught," the Avengers team of the time, save Romanova, was temporarily all dead.
++ The dead Avengers team was then replaced by the original members of the "Thunderbolts..." whose leader was a Nazi. B|
++ Her story after this largely has to do with how she tried to do her version of what Stark has been trying to do, in their world and here, and how it's inherently the wrong approach.
-- He finally acknowledges that she is right, although he's not sure what to do about it.
++ The important thing is to start doing the right things, like getting evidence against Osborn to take him down.
++ Further suggests that getting Osborn's trust to gather information on him would be easier "if [she] were not [her]self."
*** Could she possibly also be the second "Black Widow" who arrived in the City a week later? It would make sense, if her goal is to play as someone with skills Osborn would be interested in, who could be expected never to be in the same place as Romanova.