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dwg January 30 2014, 17:18:06 UTC
I love that this completely misses the point of why GRRM kills off characters.

Also the last time we had this kind of wailing and shirt-rending was when she killed Haven, which had like zero emotional impact on any of the characters (it'd probably help if her characters had emotions to start with instead of just telling us "I feel bad about X") and then everyone swooped in to reassure Anita that what she did was the right thing, for the greater good, and that Haven was Smirky McEvilbad anyway. So what are the odds that this will repeat itself here with some character nobody really cares about ( ... )

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ext_1626743 January 30 2014, 19:37:48 UTC
Did you see the person who claimed George R. R. Martin was a sociopath for killing off his characters? I seriously dislike his books on both a moral and a "craft" level, but that's going waaaaaay too far.

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dwg January 30 2014, 20:01:34 UTC
I DID. And I'm laughing at the "he's viscous[sic] and mean!" comment. GRRM being viscous would totally explain why people had to wait so long for Dance of Dragons. Beyond that, everything I know about the books comes via fandom osmosis and the tv show, but even going by that...don't all the deaths actually serve a purpose? Like, if there's going to be an argument about unnecessary deaths, at least bring up Joss Whedon or fridging. A death as a cheap vehicle for drama is more LKH's style, much like all the tragic backstories of woe that all the dudes seem to have so their woobies can be sexed away by the heroine.

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world_dancer January 31 2014, 15:04:39 UTC
Gail Simone?

She worked on Villains United and Secret Six for a while, and those are hardly heroes. Also, Deadpool, which is hardly feminist.

I haven't really followed those as much as Birds of Prey (which maybe some of the other members would find interesting for having kickass women). The character of Black Alice, who is a part-time villain who drives off our heroines from her home town and gives the finger to both the good and bad guys stands out as a character who wasn't proved wrong just so that the heroes could be right. And the conflict between Spy Smasher and Oracle, where Spy Smasher was ultimately proved wrong, was really a conflict of leadership styles and how far one goes for control.

I know she's also worked on Wonder Woman, but I haven't followed her specifically, so I don't know how her plotlines evolved there. I'm also not sure what the personal stuff you've mentioned is. A lot of people were confused and upset over her firing, I know. Along with a lot of other mismangement at DC at the time.

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desert_vixen January 31 2014, 15:58:15 UTC

I don't enjoy GRRM, but that's a bit much.

It would be super unrealistic if people didn't die in the books. Some of the deaths matter more than others - like Ned's where you're like, "wait, I thought this was the good guy..." where others you're just happy the characters have been put out of their misery. I like to argue that Ned is probably one of the luckiest characters, because he just dies. Everyone else has to live.

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wanderingworlds January 30 2014, 23:24:06 UTC
Uuuugh. Now I'm remembering the "breakdown" scene Anita had after killing Haven in the shower where Richard had to come console her.

Then JC promptly did her hair up by putting it in curlers.

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