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Mar 31, 2010 12:54

Awhile ago- I have no idea when, and I'm too lazy to double-check- I entered in Smart Pop's comment raffle to win a copy of the essay book on the Anita Blake series. A feather could have knocked me down when I got the email saying I had WON ( Read more... )

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On Romance world_dancer March 31 2010, 20:28:33 UTC
Modern genre classification determines what is romance based on two things:

1) The characters make every decision with reflection on how it will affect their relationship.

2) It has a happy ending with the couple together.

Anita does not spend every last second in the early books thinking about how it will affect her relationships. The later books, I can buy that, but not the initial 6-9 books.

#2, however, is the huge problem with the books being romances. They don't have an ending because they're part of a continuous series. They certainly don't have a "happy" ending. She loses Richard, tortures people and becomes more monstrous. Successful completion of a mission isn't a happy ending.

By that definition, I'll side with LKH that what she writes are not romances.

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Re: On Romance booster_blue April 1 2010, 03:44:28 UTC
I'd argue that the later books still qualify as romances on point #2 because even though Anita does all these inhuman things, her men still love her. And she still keeps a vast majority of them (and then gains more).

Sure, it's not riding off into the sunset with her beau - but she's hardly missing out on dates.

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Re: On Romance world_dancer April 1 2010, 15:44:24 UTC
"On the other hand, her dicks-with-legs all adore her and don't mind "sharing" her with each other. They coexist more or less happily. They all give her perfect screaming orgasms, and obey her every whim. "

As I think everyone here agrees, sex and submission do not inherently make a romance.

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Re: On Romance x_trickster_x April 2 2010, 16:01:34 UTC
Like a really bad dating sim or harem anime, urgh.

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Re: On Romance fadeinthewash April 3 2010, 18:05:13 UTC
As I think everyone here agrees, sex and submission do not inherently make a romance.

LKH would like us to think so. That sex & submission equal love & romance, I mean, not that her books are romances, which she vehemently denies. After all, Anita never lies down for anyone she doesn't luuuuuuurv, so of course it's romantic and loving!

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Re: On Romance naeko April 1 2010, 11:03:14 UTC
The essay does a good job, like I said, of shoving all the Anita Blake books into the Romance category, by really breaking down the genre. I can't possibly go into everything in a review without basically typing up the entire essay. The writer makes a case for, basically, the series as a whole belonging to Romance. If you take one book and pretend it is a stand alone, then it only uses certain Romance aspects and wouldn't qualify on its own. However, as a series, looking at the arc it's taken, it really does work as Romance.

I like, too, the definition that Saintcrow uses to throw the latter books into Romance: Every decision Anita makes now has to be considered in terms of how it will affect her relationships. Everything Anita does comes back to her boyfriends and how they will react or how they will be involved. That definitely fits your first classification.

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Re: On Romance world_dancer April 1 2010, 15:31:53 UTC
" The writer makes a case for, basically, the series as a whole belonging to Romance. If you take one book and pretend it is a stand alone, then it only uses certain Romance aspects and wouldn't qualify on its own. However, as a series, looking at the arc it's taken, it really does work as Romance."

That's essentially the problem though. The entire series doesn't qualify book by book. If we only looked at aspects, most books would be "Romance."

But then I take the position that the reason they're so hard to classify is that we've actually eliminated the old classification for where the books go. They should be a subset of Gothic, but no bookstore has a Gothic section, it's been eaten by fantasy, horror, and contemporary fiction.

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Re: On Romance janastocks April 1 2010, 14:21:23 UTC
The Happily Ever After is also not the case with all categorically defined romances. A lot of them, yes, but there is a good standard for romances which end happily for now, or sometimes with the romance not working out. It's one of the discussions happening in a lot of places when it comes to contemporary romance in particular...is it okay for a book to be a romance that doesn't have a traditional HEA?

As for Anita she gets a lot of Happilies...how many times have we argued that about half of her harem should be dead by now? Her mens don't die, no matter how much danger they get into, they all come back to her and want her, even after break ups and such. Richard may not be happy, but how often does he show back up in her life wanting to try it again? If she'd really lost him he would have shacked up with a nice woman who wasn't nuts and be happily spitting out babies and eating rare steaks together. :P

~J

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Re: On Romance world_dancer April 1 2010, 15:37:49 UTC
"It's one of the discussions happening in a lot of places when it comes to contemporary romance in particular...is it okay for a book to be a romance that doesn't have a traditional HEA?"

Personally, I'd be in favor of a reclassification, but what I cited is the guild standard of the moment, and therefore best definition. Things that end in tragedy or indifference get classed as contemporary fiction unless they belong to some other genre.

"As for Anita she gets a lot of Happilies...how many times have we argued that about half of her harem should be dead by now? "

I don't consider them living as the sole definition of happy. I still remember some of the better Anita points like when she tortured a man for info on Richard's family and lost part of her humanity. Winning doesn't make that happy. Nor is continuing to have a bitter ex-lover follow you around to fight with you.

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