A mind game

[livinginiran]

Someone who finds the flaw in following sentence will get the cookie!

If there was no meta-logical explanation for the existence of existence, I wouldn't be existing right now.

Comments

[artashes98]

I really like dafydd's clear way of thinking. He (she?) forced Narges to clarify her assumptions. Otherwise it could have been just an exercise in cool-looking rhetoric, on her part. :)
Now, Narges, is your fundamental question this (if I understand you correctly): Ok, there are interactions between matter, etc., let's say, gravitational force. It does exist. But the existence of gravitation (that we can measure OR feel, whatever works) does not explain WHY there should be gravitation at all. WHY there should be the "world"?

[livinginiran]

Hmmm I think so. Yes. You explained it much better.
Another example rule would be "if_X_then_Y + X => Y" but why there should this rule exist at all...

[artashes98]

Good questions! WHY the hell the rules of universe should be exactly like they are? Why can't they be totally different? Why couldn't be there gravitation at all? It's possible to imagine another Universe, a parallel one, that has different rules of interaction of the matter, and, actually, even the totally different matter at all, unrecognizable to us. Different life forms! Cool!!! Isaac Asimov! Have you read him? :)

[livinginiran]

I suppose Asimov has tried to bring these parallel world into imagination right? I only know him for his science/fiction stories and astronomical short books. But I don't think he has tried answering the fundamental question, in a philosophical manor. am I right?

[artashes98]

Yes, you are right. He was smart enough not to get into futile speculations. :)
Indeed, anything we can do about the question of WHY the world exists is to speculate. And my simple speculation is worth as much as your complex one, since they are all just pure thinking exercises, with no "objective" truth in sight or evidence in hand.

[livinginiran]

I am sure he has thought about the fundamental question too. Any questioning mind asks this question. He probably just didn't publish his answers in a book. And unfortunately, there were no online journals back then.

[artashes98]

Narges jan, what kind of "answers" could there be in principle to the question "WHY does the Universe exist"? The only honest answer that I am aware is "I don't know".

You apparently (if you are the same old Narges :)) are trying to prod in the direction of the supernatural, gods, whatever. But even you cannot deny the ridiculousness of that answer: "Why does the Universe exist?" "Because God created it!". Period. Period???

[livinginiran]

Artashes jan, I wasn't trying to answer that question explicitly. I was trying to see if an answer existed, how it might have been, and whether there could be some property of it which we could speculate about... A mind's game, that's all it is about.

Either my lack of skills to phrase my thoughts (which pains me a lot!) or, your prejudgment about the direction of my mind game, or both, have caused you to totally misunderstand my intention. I have no intention of proving "God" (which is a term we haven't even defined) to anybody.

My real intention of this post was to learn to express my thoughts more clearly, because that's something I obviously need.