Obama Attempts to Appease Israelis and Appalls Arabs

[liveonearth]

OK, now that we appear to have a clear nominee who because of Democratic numbers is almost assured of beating any Republican nominee, can we begin to talk about substance instead of chanting "change"?

Comments

[neptunia67]

I think any American president that suggested that Israel be broken up and the Jews be damned would be damned here in his/her own country. Christians believe the Jews are the chosen people (according to what the bible says) and that Israel is the chosen land.

[liveonearth]

The situation is damning, no doubt, on all sides. And there is a way to approach the situation such that the true NEEDS of all invested parties can be met, even while asserted "rights" fall by the wayside. "Damned" is a very strong word on my part, and no politician would use such a word. Luckily, I'm not in the position of having to be PC. I do hope, however, that great negotiators such as Jimmy Carter continue to get out into the world and help people find a middle ground based on meeting needs instead of bowing down to "rights" which are illusory and in this case patently unfair.

[liveonearth]

I've been thinking about what you said about Jews being the chosen people and Israel (or is it Jerusalem?) being the chosen land. I find myself lacking in any real grasp of the matter. Can you tell me more about what Christians believe about this, from your own experience? What would your mother say?

Mom would say...

[neptunia67]

Mom would say that things are happening exactly as they should be, according to the prophecies in the bible. She would tell you that Israel is God's chosen land, and the Jews his chosen people. That is why they have been persecuted throughout history, because Satan is trying to wipe them from the earth. She would tell you that there is no way Israel will ever be broken up, because of these reasons, and that it is Palestine and the rest of the world who will pay for the way they treat the Jews.

I don't really have a grasp of it either, because I don't believe the prophecies... so I tend to turn the conversation in another direction when it comes up.

I am nearly positive that my Mom would be happy to talk with you about all of this over the phone sometime, if you were interested in learning/hearing more.

There are a lot of articles if you google "israel chosen land"

[owl_clan]

You are 100% correct. On every point.

[liveonearth]

It's good to know I'm not the only one suffering from this particular delusion.