look at this motherfucking professor, goddamn.

Feb 05, 2009 16:53

"What artists do is dream for us."- Donaho ( Read more... )

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iwant_sprinkles February 5 2009, 23:08:49 UTC
That's a really beautiful and interesting notion, but I honestly can't say I entirely agree. I think that more than dream FOR people, artists EXPRESS dreams for people. I think that some people dream more vividly than others (I know that you do) and I know that my dreams tend to be really abstract - everyone dreams in different ways, but we all do it. The difference between an artist and none artist is the ability to express ideas, dreams, feelings...

DID YOU SEE VICKY CRISTINA BARCELONA YET? Because I just finished it this second and loved it and it's just kjsdhfasdf it's all about love and art and what's acceptable according to society and this sounds unrelated - but Scarlett Johansson's character has this line about how she has ideas and no talent to express them and yeah. That. If you didn't see it yet, you should watch it when you get the chance, I think you'll like it ( ... )

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lissie_pissie February 6 2009, 00:00:49 UTC
I could see that if someone asked an artist to paint something for them. But if they bring to light something that someone hadn't even considered yet, how is that expressing their dream FOR them?

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iwant_sprinkles February 6 2009, 00:14:25 UTC
Fair point. Though really I don't think you can dream FOR someone any more than you can express a dream for them. Expressing something isn't going to make it someone else's dream, and art is subjective anyway, so essentially you can inspire dreaming but I don't personally feel that it's possible to dream on someone else's behalf - only express your own dreams and in doing that inspire new dreams in others. They're still dreaming for themselves, they're just taking inspiration. Like, if you have a dream about House, did the people responsible for creating it dream for you? If you're dreaming FOR someone, it's not their dream just like if you express something it's not someone else's dream. If that makes any sense at all, lol. I just don't think it's possible to dream on the behalf of another person - that's not their dream, to me. Artists pictorialise or vocalise dreams where none-artists can't. That's how I personally see it, anyway. BUT THAT IS THE FUN OF ART. That it's so fluid as a concept and everyone looks at it differently.

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lissie_pissie February 6 2009, 00:24:57 UTC
Also I forgot to add that you don't have to agree with it - it's a "theory" (mental cut to Mulder). It also would have made more sense if I explained it better - he was saying that in THIS particular theory, art is meant to be a symbol of something else. Representation. So he brought up dreams, what do the crazy things in your dream represent? Problems in your life, your hopes, struggles, etc. THEN he said the artist dreams for us, and later went on to add that they're the "symbol-makers". So it's not really as "ARTISTS DECIDE PEOPLE'S SHIT AND THEY HAVE NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER" as it looks on its own.

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spoopy February 5 2009, 23:26:02 UTC
I think artists make solid and put into visual words the things we all already dream and think about. They don't dream for us. If they dreamed for us, their art wouldn't impact us the way it does. They draw attention to the things we might already know but aren't aware of until it's staring us in the face.

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lissie_pissie February 6 2009, 00:02:19 UTC
But if you look at what he was saying in moments prior about how when we dream, like, in our sleep, it's basically us creating symbols for those things. That's what he meant when he said they dream FOR us - they make the actual symbols to explain things in our lives and thoughts (just as we make our own when we dream, or maybe someone else does, depending on your spiritual/religious views), which ties into Representational Theory, which is what he was lecturing on.

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dragonzair February 5 2009, 23:59:05 UTC
That is just beautiful.

I am very tempted to edit my facebook status now.

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wanderlonely February 6 2009, 03:31:44 UTC
That's beautiful and so true. ♥

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