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Apr 24, 2008 19:05

I was up until like 3am on the phone with Tina last night and we devised brilliant plans AND, she opened her Paula Abdul poster she ordered while I was on the phone with her, AND THEY SENT HER TWO BY ACCIDENT. SO SHE GIGGLED AND ASKED ME IF I WANTED ONE. I mean, DAMN Homes, was *I* ever lucky to be on the phone at that moment. I do not have a Paula ( Read more... )

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perfectopposite April 25 2008, 00:31:59 UTC
GOOD QUESTION.

LOL I have those same issues... and with the other words that people use to. I totally dont mean to make this about race but back in the day nigger was an offensive word, and now African American people use it all the time as a greeting to each other... and call the white people crackers, which is suppose to be offensive to us, but I just find it hilarious... I just dont get it :\

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perfectopposite April 25 2008, 00:38:35 UTC
I will check that out. Im interested in where words get their meaning from.

Thanks for suggesting that.

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lissie_pissie April 25 2008, 00:45:37 UTC
LOL I don't find cracker offensive at all.

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perfectopposite April 25 2008, 00:47:25 UTC
LOL. I dont find many people who do. Just my sister, though it may be because she thinks they refer to her as a Ritz cracker...

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lissie_pissie April 25 2008, 00:59:23 UTC
lol then where did it come from and why do they call us that. im not being a smart ass, im seriously asking because you're smart lol

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soulcanhope April 25 2008, 02:47:00 UTC
Totally butting in on this thread, but we were JUST talking about this in my American Lit class today and because my dad is black and thus I am the like, guru on African American heritage. (NOT.)
But.
As far as I know, the term "Cracker" did come from slave owners "cracking the whip," literally on slaves. But I can't wrap my head around it being as bad as nigger, because it's not referring to someone just by the color or their skin, just what their ancestors had done to others.
But even between black people, there is a huge difference between being a black person (Oreo if you will) and being a nigger. A nigger is that Stereotypical black person image, urbanized, baggy pants, all that bullshit, while a black person tends to be more educated, from the suburbs and with more money. But at the same time it can be a HUGE insult to be called an "Oreo" to someone who considers themselves more "hard ( ... )

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lissie_pissie April 25 2008, 03:03:00 UTC
I have an honest question that I do not know the answer to. Does nigger have a, like, MEANING other than being a derogatory term? Or did white people basically say "OH, by the way, we're going to invent a mean word, and it is 'nigger', so, everytime we say that, just know that we're insulting you REALLY bad because of the color of your skin." Do you know what I mean? Like where did those 6 letters come from?

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lissie_pissie April 25 2008, 03:15:40 UTC
I don't know. I can't say that if someone took the latin word for "white" and modified it a bit that I'd be offended. So it's really hard for me to grasp this stuff as much as I probably should. But thank you for the book rec, I shall search.

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soulcanhope April 25 2008, 03:18:23 UTC
Well, it originally stemmed from both the Spanish and French words for black being negro and noir respectively. And both of those stem from Latin, but I can't quite remember where. In most places, the term wasn't restricted to being to just African American people, but anyone who was darker skinned.
And of course, it just came over to America and stuck.

THIS IS WHY I LOVE YOUR LJ LISS. THANKS FOR STIMULATING MY HEAD.

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lissie_pissie April 25 2008, 03:39:47 UTC
INTERESTING. mini-history lesson ftw.

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soonersurrender April 25 2008, 03:39:26 UTC
I agree with you there, but also, no one enslaved anyone that's alive at this point in time, either. Still, I get it. My main beef with all of this is how even the most innocent things get twisted into race issues when they weren't to start out with. It just seems to create more tension. Rather than trying to move on we're still stuck in a really hateful place. And that makes me sad. :(

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lissie_pissie April 25 2008, 03:40:41 UTC
That's exactly my point. They weren't enslaved so they shouldn't be upset, and we weren't the white assholes who did it, so we shouldn't still be held accountable for it. We need to let it goooo.

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