oh god, this is long.lipsofpoisonMarch 6 2009, 02:32:31 UTC
First and foremost, I love getting essays for comments so never warn for it ;D Also, karanguni has one of my favourite takes on Terry and his dynamic within the family. I've read pretty much everything of her Terry and some of it made it to my personal canon (Bruce doing physical training while he was in a position to in Out of the Past) and I am hugely in awe of the characterisation.
I think Toon!Tim wanted to be Robin pretty badly and look what happened to him. I'm pretty sure it's one of the things he gets from Jason. Personally, I kind of wanted Max to take on more of an Oracle role because it's a role DCAU seems to be lacking. Though I don't doubt her brilliance as a Batgirl (she certainly keeps Bruce on his toes), it's a personal little preferance).
I think with DC, history is bound to repeat itself. Tim said in the last Robin that he had Anarky wanting to become 'his personal Joker' so there's always going to be that sense that if you're a bat, you're going to have your enemies. What it didn't show much of was the family but then as you got more of Max in and even some of Babs and Bruce, you can see that there is a family there and it just malfunctioned. Speaking Toon!wise, I'm not sure it would have if Tim had continued to be Robin or if there had been a third Robin, but that's just my idle speculation.
The Robin's are cursed in their own way. As their role as the soul, they are what people want to destroy. Often for the villains (the Joker in particular), killing Batman isn't enough: you have to destroy him. How do you destroy a man? Leave him empty, without his soul and never for it to return. I'm not sure if that was exactly what RotJ!Joker intended, but it sure as hell seemed to have worked out that way. There's also Max's throwaway line about not wanting to be called Robin, which is a nice bit of general paranoia, despite the fact there hasn't been a Robin then for thirty five years. That's some curse.
Something I did notice was the similarities between Toon!Tim and Matt and I'm kind of divided on the subject. On one hand, I can see Bruce being a total NO on the subject of bringing a Robin in (I do have a fic saved on here somewhere that handles it beautifully, I should look it up) but I can see Matt, with all his infectious enthusiasm and his own loss (not to mention possible genetics) wanting to help. The thing is, Terry is his own kind of Batman in my POV and he'd let him as long as he was satisfied he would be able to hold his own. I think he would want to give him the chance (and I think Tim would agree with him, because denying him seems like what would have really driven the nails into the coffin) and the opportunity to make a difference.
Not to mention the fact that it would be a magnificent symbol: think what it must have looked like to the criminal underworld when Robin was never seen again. They won, to a degree. And now that there is a new Bat for a new era, it seems fitting that Robin should fly again, showing that they are, once again, a cohesive whole and ready to take on the night and take back Gotham from the hell it's dug itself into over the past 20 (maybe even 35) years.
I just started writing Terry, so I've been rewatching the series (I'm currently on Sneak Peek) to get to grips with him and note things about him and that was the major thing I noticed. How much he changes. In ROTJ, we see him making his own decisions and knowing when to listen to Bruce and when not to. Seeing him with the JL also showed a lot of insight - how much control must it have taken for him to stay quiet and just bitch at Bruce? This is not the Terry of season one, which is why I choose to believe Terry is 16-18 in the series (I did work out the math and it sort of works out that way) and is growing into an adult at the same time as growing into the suit.
I think Toon!Tim wanted to be Robin pretty badly and look what happened to him. I'm pretty sure it's one of the things he gets from Jason. Personally, I kind of wanted Max to take on more of an Oracle role because it's a role DCAU seems to be lacking. Though I don't doubt her brilliance as a Batgirl (she certainly keeps Bruce on his toes), it's a personal little preferance).
I think with DC, history is bound to repeat itself. Tim said in the last Robin that he had Anarky wanting to become 'his personal Joker' so there's always going to be that sense that if you're a bat, you're going to have your enemies. What it didn't show much of was the family but then as you got more of Max in and even some of Babs and Bruce, you can see that there is a family there and it just malfunctioned. Speaking Toon!wise, I'm not sure it would have if Tim had continued to be Robin or if there had been a third Robin, but that's just my idle speculation.
The Robin's are cursed in their own way. As their role as the soul, they are what people want to destroy. Often for the villains (the Joker in particular), killing Batman isn't enough: you have to destroy him. How do you destroy a man? Leave him empty, without his soul and never for it to return. I'm not sure if that was exactly what RotJ!Joker intended, but it sure as hell seemed to have worked out that way. There's also Max's throwaway line about not wanting to be called Robin, which is a nice bit of general paranoia, despite the fact there hasn't been a Robin then for thirty five years. That's some curse.
Something I did notice was the similarities between Toon!Tim and Matt and I'm kind of divided on the subject. On one hand, I can see Bruce being a total NO on the subject of bringing a Robin in (I do have a fic saved on here somewhere that handles it beautifully, I should look it up) but I can see Matt, with all his infectious enthusiasm and his own loss (not to mention possible genetics) wanting to help. The thing is, Terry is his own kind of Batman in my POV and he'd let him as long as he was satisfied he would be able to hold his own. I think he would want to give him the chance (and I think Tim would agree with him, because denying him seems like what would have really driven the nails into the coffin) and the opportunity to make a difference.
Not to mention the fact that it would be a magnificent symbol: think what it must have looked like to the criminal underworld when Robin was never seen again. They won, to a degree. And now that there is a new Bat for a new era, it seems fitting that Robin should fly again, showing that they are, once again, a cohesive whole and ready to take on the night and take back Gotham from the hell it's dug itself into over the past 20 (maybe even 35) years.
I just started writing Terry, so I've been rewatching the series (I'm currently on Sneak Peek) to get to grips with him and note things about him and that was the major thing I noticed. How much he changes. In ROTJ, we see him making his own decisions and knowing when to listen to Bruce and when not to. Seeing him with the JL also showed a lot of insight - how much control must it have taken for him to stay quiet and just bitch at Bruce? This is not the Terry of season one, which is why I choose to believe Terry is 16-18 in the series (I did work out the math and it sort of works out that way) and is growing into an adult at the same time as growing into the suit.
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