Orange in South America

[alcarilinque]

Me and gooooyaffa were discussing the word 'orange' and it's history, and so we'd like to know how those of you who speak South American varieties of Spanish pronounce the words for orange: the color, the tree, and the fruit. They're probably similar, but for consistency's sake I thought I'd ask for all. IPA preferable, but feel free to describe it

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che aĩme ko' ape

[adessa_py]

First of all, guarani is not a dialect, it' s a language.
About the question, in guarani we have the aspired sound of "H" like the chi in greek (kh) , written with the letter "H", so the word naranja is borrowed from spanish, but written in the guarani alphabet. NA-RAN-HA instead of naranja.
The"ĝ" denotes a nasal sound in the pronunciation, so the sound of the guttural consonant of (kh), when nasal, becomes (g:).

"Mata" means tree, or bush in spanish.
So naranja mata is an orange tree.
For the color in paraguay we say "naranjado" or "anaranjado"

Re: che aĩme ko' ape

[alcarilinque]

Didn't say it was a dialect; I know well that it is a separate language.

Do you think you would pronounce the word "orange" (naranja/naranha) the same in guarani as in spanish?

aprendese neñe'ẽ, tẽra ndaikua'ái heta palavra. ikatu ahai guaraníme, ha atende michimi. It's really fun to learn. :)

Re: che aĩme ko' ape

[adessa_py]

Yes, it's possible to pronounce like in spanish, actually there are diferents accents of guarani, depends on if you live in a rural area or in a city, or in the capital or in another city.
that gutural/nasal pronunciation is characteristic of the rural areas.

che py'ápe arohory reikua'asehaguére ore ñe'ẽ.ikaturámo ropytyvõ eha' i jey chéve, che ndaĩmei che retã paraguáipe, ko' aga che aiko buenos airespe, ha ahechaga' u eterei che retã.
jajoechapeve!

Re: che aĩme ko' ape

[alcarilinque]

Ahh, good to know!

Rehendupa nde guaraní pe'ape buenos airespe? aikua'a que guaraní oñeñe'ẽ argentinape campiñahape avei. Ikatúpa ohendu távape avei?

[adessa_py]

argentinape oñeñe'ẽ avei, pero nda hetai lo mitã oikua' ava, oñembo' e mimi escuélape umi provincia hérava corrientes, chaco ha misiones oĩva paraguái ypype oñeñe'e.
ko'ápe oĩ hetaiterei paraguayo o'uvakue omba' apohağua buenos airespe ha che ahendu guarani oimeraẽ mamoha ahávape.

[alcarilinque]

Ahaa. Umi guaraníme oñene'ẽva provinciape oñembo'e guaraníme o españolpe? Reikua'a nde ha'épa guaraní sujeto classepe, o ombo'e per exemplo matimatica guaraníme?

Aguyje que ekrivi guaraníme, che avy'a atende. :D

mokoĩve' ape

[adessa_py]

paraguáipe oñembo' e escuélape mokoĩve' a, guarani (ava ñe'e) ha español (karai ñe'e).
ramointente ojejapo reforma educativa ha che ndainkua'aporái mbaéichapa ojembo' e hina ko'ağa pero oĩmene 80% clase karai ñe'eme ha 20% guaraníme.
argentiname katu oĩmene michĩve, 95%, ha 5% mba'e.

Re: mokoĩve' ape

[alcarilinque]

Paraguáipe opa temimbo'ekuéra ostudía guaraníme, oñe'ẽro'oi espanol isyñe'ẽicha?

Re: mokoĩve' ape

[adessa_py]

sorry....i didn't usderstand your question

atende

[adessa_py]

mba' e erese cheve eréramo "atende"??

Re: atende

[alcarilinque]

No ha'ise que comprendo, pero ndaikua'ái mba'éicha kóa oñeñe'ẽ guaraníme.

Re: atende

[this_bugs_4_you]

ahh, ko'ağa aentendema mba'epa la ereva:)

Re: atende

[alcarilinque]

Embe'una chéve ha'iro mba'eve ha nderentendéi mba'epa ha'i. :P che astudia guaraní che trabajo de campo classepe, ha areko minnesotape, moõpa guarani oñeñe'ẽ sapy'apy'ainterei. :P

oĩ porã che anguiru

[this_bugs_4_you]

reñe'ẽ porã ha reha'i porã ave'i, che mbovy'a reikua'ahaguére!
ipya'eveta ñañe'eramo ko'pe eipotáramo:
estherjerusin@hotmail.com

Re: atende

[this_bugs_4_you]

ajavy kuri ha ha'i vaekue ndeve che rembireko cuenta guive (this_bugs_4_you is my wife:)
che ha'e adessa_py.

Re: atende

[alcarilinque]

Heẽ, che aetende la problema. :) reme'ẽ kuri ne ñe'ẽvevesambyhy, ha'epa MSN mensajero haguã?

ndakriviri heta kosemánape, chekrivihaguã che thésis examen, ha otros documentos che classekuérare, tẽra ko'aĝa chelibre! oĩmba'e heta vy'ahakuéra koweekend, ha che aprende la guaraní añe'ẽrupi heta guaraníme. chembovy'a!