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I have to admit that I only watched Star Trek because of:
1) Sylar with eyebrows! and,
2) I want to read ifyouweremine's pr0nLike a gazillion other people have said, it was GLORIOUS ( Read more... )
1) Sylar with eyebrows! and,
2) I want to read ifyouweremine's pr0nLike a gazillion other people have said, it was GLORIOUS ( Read more... )
his Kirk would've died by then
Spock Prime's (Leonard Nimoy! <3) Kirk died in the movie, Generations. But scifi is a funny place, so it's a bit more complicated than that.
their pairing smashnames are so ridiculous
Thankfully, that trend didn't take hold back then, so they were just K/S
Vulcans only have the single name?
His full name is unpronounceable to humans. And no one has the nerve to nickname a Vulcan, not even behind his back.
What's the name of Spock's father & mother?
Father: Sarek (Most male Vulcans have names that start with S and end with a K sound, in honor of Surak, who began the philosophy of logic and emotional control that explains why Vulcans act the way they do.)
Mother: Amanda (human). Given the disparate lifespans of humans and Vulcans, Sarek did have at least two other wives, one of whom was also human.
I'm assuming the original Spock is nowhere as volatile as the AR!Spock?
Actually, Quinto is pretty right on. He's half-blood, and he's always struggled to control his emotions. Plus, the writers love seeing him show the cracks in his logical control just as much as the fans do, so there's a ton of episodes where something happens that makes him lose that control. The 'you just have to piss him off enough to make him lose it' tactic has been used before. The Spock Prime character you see is more even keel because he's had a lifetime to learn to balance the two, and his human emotions have become more integrated with his Vulcan logic. But in his younger days, he would've been just as volatile, really. Quinto captured it perfectly.
Also, I forgot one other Vulcan cultural detail that would be likely to come up in stories:
6) Vulcans are vegetarian. Although when necessitated to do so for survival, Spock has eaten meat, he was severely grossed out by it and would never do so except under extreme circumstances.
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But scifi is a funny place, so it's a bit more complicated than that.
Ha, I bet. What are some fan explanations that he didn't actually die?
I kept on thinking that human fashion became ridiculous. After watching a second time I realized that Spock's mom was wearing a Vulcan dress, not Earth fashion X-D
Also, the movie did give an explanation for Bones' nickname:
He said to Kirk when they first met, "Ex-wife took the whole planet. All I have left is my bones."
6) Vulcans are vegetarian.
Good to know =)
Are Romulans vegetarians too?
Does canon tell us whether Vulcans and Romulans breathe oxygen or some different gas?
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telekinetic aliens who'd grown bored with existence, so they used their powers to force visitors to entertain them
What are some fan explanations that he didn't actually die?
Not even fan explanations. Kirk (the character) died in Generations, nobly and all that. blah blah blah... William Shatner (the actor) is not particularly good at letting go, so he's co-written a whole series of Trek novels charting Kirk's resurrection and adventures. *is annoyed*
re: Bones
Caught that. I loved that they finally gave us a decent explanation. That was new info though, never explained in earlier canon.
Are Romulans vegetarians too?
Um... I'm not sure. I don't think so, as it's more a reflection of Vulcan's pacifist beliefs than anything biological. Romulans came about when those who didn't want to follow those beliefs left Vulcan to follow their own path, so it would be rather odd if they were. But we don't see much of Romulans in a social/community setting, so I can't think of it ever being addressed one way or the other.
Does canon tell us whether Vulcans and Romulans breathe oxygen or some different gas?
They do breathe oxygen, or you wouldn't be able to have them walk around on the same sets without assistance. ;0 But the planet Vulcan does have a much thinner atmosphere than Earth, so for a human to do anything excessively active on Vulcan, they need a compound to help them breathe more easily. (This is also why the Vulcan heart is placed lower - to make room for a larger lung capacity.)
You're asking really interesting in-depth questions, and I'm enjoying the challenge of answering them all. So please, keep them coming. I'm loving it. XD
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...what's the explanation he used for the resurrection?
I'm glad they decided not to include Kirk Prime in the movie. I mean, more angst = good for fanfic possibilities.
I'm sure someone somewhere's starting an AU where Kirk Prime came back to the past along with Spock Prime =P
I don't buy vegetarians ~ pacifists (at least not IRL).
If that's true, then:
Chinese people (who eat everything except cats--and even then one of the Northern (?) region tribes do eat cats) = the bloodthirstiest race in existence.
And the Indian people (strictest diet I can think of, aside from vegans) = the most peace-loving people on earth.
Eh. I suppose it does make sense if the vegetarianism is based on Buddhism & not taking lives, etc. Hm.
Speaking of, is Sarek more of a religious leader (Buddha) or a philosophical leader (Confucius)?
To clarify my question, not all Chinese people are Buddhists, but most Chinese people do follow Confucianism (respect your elders, take care of your parents in their old age, etc.) And someone can be a Christian and follow most of Confucius' teachings at the same time.
Is there any hint of religion or god(s) at all in canon?
they need a compound to help them breathe more easily.
Do we see any of those compounds in canon? Do they look like oxygen masks or?
So...human blood is iron-rich, and Vulcan/Romulan blood is copper-rich. I wonder what happens to a Vulcan/Romulan if they get too much copper. Or if they get iron poisoning >=D
*contemplates Spock's genetic engineering*
Mpreg is not out of reach if interspecies procreation is possible
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I protest. I'm all for anarchy and mayhem :D :D
Btw, Vulcan is also a very hot and dry planet
People eat cats ? *Appalled* *Hugs most beloved misanthropic kitty*
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Just because you wouldn't eat wittle rabbits doesn't mean you won't shoot a trespasser on your lawn. Or smth.
In some area (not sure which), yes people do eat cats. Cats are lucky in terms of not being eaten, because most cultures have superstitions about cats =3
*uses appropriate icon*
Vulcan is also a very hot and dry planet
Hmm...more than the extremes of earth's summer, you mean? Or Egypt?
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Er ... fish, and chicken, and occasionally mutton. Lots of milk products, tho. OMG I love all cheeses ! *Slurp*
I'm also a member of fandom_wank in journalfen, and am most ruthless with people who try trolling me. So, not quite all that pacifist *Preens*
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Awwww icon *melts*
Umm ... from what I've seen on the background with shots of Vulcan, it has spare vegetation, plenty of reddish rocks, there are live volcanoes, not much cloud cover, sun is very bright --- I think parts of Vulcan background was shot in ... was it Utah ? And of course, the volcanoes were pictures in sets
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Copy/pasted from the ST wiki:
Vulcan has a considerably higher gravity and thinner atmosphere than Earth. Its climate is generally harsh, with most of the surface consisting of large deserts or mountain ranges, along with scattered small seas. Desert areas are prone to large amounts of heat, light and electrical sand fire storms.
And now, just me:
More extreme than most of earth's summer, but not necessarily hotter/drier than the extreme desert areas of earth. It's not a sandy kind of desert though, like Egypt would be, but a landscape shaped by vulcanism (imagine that) than by water or wind erosion, so think high-altitude deserts with rocky crags, jagged mountains, cracked plateaus and deep canyons rather than loose sand dunes.
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<3 AU!Pirate!Spock
electrical sand fire storms.
=O I don't understand, but it sounds cool.
a landscape shaped by vulcanism (imagine that) than by water or wind erosion, so think high-altitude deserts with rocky crags, jagged mountains, cracked plateaus and deep canyons
Hmmm...for some reason I'm flashbacking to Nim Island. I've seen lots of pictures of volcanoes. Except...volcanoes = rich soil = vegetation everywhere. Ah well, I suppose Vulcans don't spend a lot of time communing with nature anyways?
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There's these things in the Vulcan social system, one can handle mind/s and mind control and stuff ... I don't know where they took it from, but I've grown up with those sort of concepts myself *Scratches head puzzledly*
Not Mpreg unless it's Quinto. No No No !!!!!!
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I heard not all Vulcans can do it, yet Spock didn't continue his higher education but enrolled in Starfleet instead.
Soo...Spock is awesomecakes and have priestly abilities?
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Spock is my second God ! And Gods are just ... just OMG ... Ineffable ?
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All Vulcans have some form of telepathic ability. (Canon was unclear about this for a long time, because there was exactly one Vulcan in all of ST who couldn't do a mind meld, but they remedied that inconsistency in Enterprise.) However, some are much stronger telepaths than others, including Spock. Why? Canonwise, *shrugs*, IRL, it was an easy way to solve plot problems.
That rock over there is killing people because we didn't know it was alive? Have Spock meld with it and tell it we're sorry! (Devil in the Dark) Need to steal that humpback whale and get it to save us from the space probe? Have Spock jump in the tank and ask for its help! (ST IV) Need to get out of a prison cell? Have Spock confuse the guard IN THE OTHER ROOM, THROUGH THE WALL and make him open the door! (A Taste of Armageddon)
Yes, all of those are real examples.
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=DDD
Have Spock jump in the tank and ask for its help!
BondGirl!Spock X-D
Have Spock confuse the guard IN THE OTHER ROOM, THROUGH THE WALL and make him open the door!
Ooh, sounds like wandless, long-distance Imperius >=D
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I don't even know. I refuse to read any of Shatner's Trek books because he can't get any characters right but his own. Drives me crazy. None of the novels are considered canon anyway (though people draw from them when they want to) so I don't have to admit they exist.
I suppose it does make sense if the vegetarianism is based on Buddhism & not taking lives, etc.
This would be my guess. The neck pinch was created as a non-violent way to defend themselves, and described as a 'do no harm' sort of thing, and their vegetarian diet was explained in the same way.
is Surak more of a religious leader (Buddha) or a philosophical leader (Confucius)?
Philosophical. When Surak's philosophy was gaining prominance, you wouldn't have been able to tell the difference, as it took activitists to start the change. But in the time of TOS/reboot, they are cultural norms that all Vulcans follow. Those who do not are outcasts, and are shunned by Vulcan society (ST V).
Is there any hint of religion or god(s) at all in canon?
For the most part, no. Humans are portrayed as secular, and references to religion are only as mythology. In other species, yes to varying degrees. Several have mystical connotations, and some, like the Bajorans (a major species on Deep Space Nine), are very religious.
Do we see any of those compounds in canon?
Yes, Bones injects Kirk with a tri-ox compound to let him fight in Vulcan's atmosphere (again in Amok Time, I swear I watch other episodes occasionally). It's administered by hypospray, same as you see him do in ST XI. (Though Karl Urban is a little more enthusiastic about jabbing him. lol)
*contemplates Spock's genetic engineering*
Spock's blood contains both human and Vulcan factors, and his birth did require medical assistance. I refuse to give you any more info if it's in danger of contributing to Mpreg. XP
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