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Apr 20, 2008 06:39

One thing that has made me angry about the whole "Expelled" saga is the way the film equates Darwin and the scientists who defend the Neo-Darwinian Synthesis with the Nazis and Hitler. Unfortunately, however, a lot of people, myself among them, have always suspected that there was, indeed, an element of the regrettably named "Social Darwinism" behind Hitler's own philosophy - Social Darwinism is a perversion of Darwin's theories, of course, and from what I know of Charles Darwin, he would have hated the very idea, but it looks, on the surface, as if there might be a connection.

However, to go back to Hitler - I am now justified in rejecting any link whatsoever. In a comment to Richard Dawkins's own review of Expelled stephencarrwork quotes from Hitler himself:

"Hitler explicity rejected Darwinism and the evolution of man.

From Hitler's Tischgespraeche for 1942 'Woher nehmen wir das Recht zu glauben, der Mensch sei nicht von Uranfaengen das gewesen , was er heute ist? Der Blick in die Natur zeigt uns, dass im Bereich der Pflanzen und Tiere Veraenderungen und Weiterbildungen vorkommen. Aber nirgends zeigt sich innherhalb einer Gattung eine Entwicklung von der Weite des Sprungs, den der Mensch gemacht haben muesste, sollte er sich aus einem affenartigen Zustand zu dem, was er ist, fortgebildet haben.'

I shall translate Hitler's words, which were recored by the stenographer.

'From where do we get the right to believe that man was not from the very beginning what he is today.

A glance in Nature shows us , that changes and developments happen in the realm of plants and animals. But nowhere do we see inside a kind, a development of the size of the leap that Man must have made, if he supposedly has advanced from an ape-like condition to what he is' (now)"

As the man says, "Hitler was a creationist."

Whooot!

And we already knew that Hitler was not an atheist and that there is no evidence whatsoever that he ever rejected his Catholic upbringing. (Himmler was the one interested in the Occult, as far as I can tell from reasonably extensive research I did for a fan fic many years ago.)

This link takes you to the article and the page with Stephen Carr's comment.

http://richarddawkins.net/articleComments,2394,Lying-for-Jesus,Richard-Dawkins,page2#comments

ETA: This is from the original German stenographer's records and not the English translation which was taken from the French translation which was, apparently, edited and changed.

Also lots of supporting quotes from Hitler's published work and speeches.

creationism, film, evolution, history

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