What We Deserve

Aug 11, 2007 14:13

I found this video on feministing.com, and it really moved me. It's a clip from the 2006 International World Poetry Slam Finals by Sonya "The Drama" Boom Renee. It made me cry. Please watch, and let me know what you think.

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asd ben1338605 August 11 2007, 20:36:59 UTC
i agree, but i think its ironic that a slam poet would be lecturing anyone about propaganda

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Re: asd likegeorge August 11 2007, 20:40:59 UTC
But is slam poetry like that mainstream enough to be considered propaganda?

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Re: asd ben1338605 August 11 2007, 20:48:22 UTC
what does propaganda have to do with being mainstream? so if you're not "mainstream," you're allowed to be propagandistic?

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Re: asd madlovefreefall August 14 2007, 15:30:45 UTC
Why do you think slam poetry is propagandistic? Propaganda implies that a group of people with some sort of power, perhaps political, is using somewhat misleading information to promote their cause. My impression of slam poetry is that it is artistically expressing an opinion, and if expressing one's opinion is propaganda, then we're all propagandists. For it to be propaganda, this woman would have to represent a concrete group of people with a publicized cause, and you would have to prove that several of her statements were either false or misleading without proper context, or perhaps just empty rhetoric, like the original "Women Deserve Better." But most of her story was about her feelings based on anecdotal evidence, so I don't see how you could prove that.

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Re: asd ben1338605 August 14 2007, 22:39:00 UTC
slam poetry is not propaganda in that it is not wielded from a position of power, in a top-down manner.

slam poetry is propaganda in that it relies upon emotional and poetic appeals to strengthen its argument, instead of relying upon a logical, structured argument based upon facts. anecdotal evidence is propaganda according to your defintion. an anecdotal appeal is, if not false in the general view of the issue, at least questionable. the value of anecdotal is completely an issue of context. all that said, i believe all art and everything we say about anything we believe can be considered propaganda.

what i was questioning orginally was the notion that you can categorically distinguish between propaganda and non-propaganda. (for example: not "mainstream" = not propaganda.) while some things are more subversive than others, isn't everything we say irrational? as people, we appeal to our own nature when making an argument. we don't stick to any logical forms or structures.

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