Why we fight

[likegeorge]

Joss posted this on whedonesque last night, and I found it incredibly moving. This is why our Serenity screening is importaint. Why it means more than hanging out with browncoats for one night. Equality is essential, and Equality Now is part of the good fight

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[likegeorge]

Hey ben. we have a kind of miscommunication. I just copied and pasted joss's responce to another guy's post.

it sounded somewhat similar to yours, and i thought re-posting it would nullify what looked like the start of a debate I thought might be sort of pointless. I actually agree with a lot of the things your saying.

I think the idea of "womb envy" is sort of silly, and the "bile" and "withering disdain" are referring to what this other guy said, which was mostly innapropriate yelling and babbling about men having problems too. However, I do agree that when someone says "you can't fix this" they silence other people, like joss said, "it freezes people, makes speaking out or lifting a finger awkward and problematic."

I agree that men face stereotypes too. The difference is men don't get killed for them. Not in the numbers and passionate fury women do, all over the world. If Dua Khalil's brother had slept with a Sunni woman, he wouldn't have been murdered by his family. It's that simple.

The reason I re-posted joss's essay in the first place wasn't to start arguing about the role of women. It was because it moved me, and I thought it would hopefully inspire other people to get involved with Equality Now.

I'm really glad you actually read it though, enough to get mad at me about it.

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[ben1338605]

I never meant to say "you can't fix this." I didn't know what it was I said that was similar to what "sansmercy" was saying. So I didn't really know what you were trying to say by reposting Mr. Whedon's comments.

Oh, and for the sake of argument: men are the victims of murder 75% of the time in America. The rate of women victims was the lowest ever in 2004.

And as for destructive stereotypes about men? How about the one where they're supposed to serve in the military? Or the good old "save the women, the children, and the elderly..." Not that I really disagree with that sentiment.

Really, im just pointing out the statistics. But you're right. When women are the victims of the murder, it is by an intimate relation and/or sex-related. When men (in the US) are murdered, it is because of gang- or drug-related incidents. So whatever you want to fight. As long as you're fighting. And those statistics differ in the developing world, I know, and in whichever fundamentalist Islamic state the murder you described occured. But the basic trend is the same.

So, men are idiotic and get themselves killed by engaging in criminal behavior. Women are victimized. Still, though, there are societal causes of both.