Tolerance and Trouble Brewing

Oct 07, 2018 20:33



There is a difference between the US political left and right in the area of tolerance of ideas. The recent Kavanaugh confirmation circus is merely the most recent illustration of that difference.

In general, the right argues vehemently against the left’s ideas, but does not advocate blocking them. For example, while many conservatives are ( Read more... )

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About shutting down the news media ... marmoe October 8 2018, 19:36:44 UTC
In general, the right argues vehemently against the left’s ideas, but does not advocate blocking them. For example, while many conservatives are looking forward to the CNN and the New York Times’s business failure, and take a certain grim delight in the poor performance of far left media such as MSNBC with the American public, we don’t want them shut down just for saying what they say.

From a current IPSOS poll:

Q: "President Trump should close down mainstream news outlets, like CNN, the Washington Post, and The New York Times."
Republicans:
11% strongly agree
12% somewhat agree
26% neither agree nor disagree
18% somewhat disagree
31% strongly disagree
That is, one in four Republicans DOES want to shut down CNN, WaPo, NYT, etc.

48% of the Republicans somewhat (30%) or strongly agree(18%), that "The news media is the enemy of the American people." Just 28% of the Republicans disagree with that statement.

I find these numbers alarming. How about you?

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Re: About shutting down the news media ... level_head October 8 2018, 20:12:42 UTC
Small numbers don't concern me overmuch; you can get small numbers for Elvis, UFOs, and other sorts of fringe beliefs.

I wonder if that "somewhat agree" group could be "if they continue to fail to report news honestly." I certainly understand the feeling. It was a Leftist news outlet that won in court the right to lie to the public.

How many Democrats want to shut down Fox News and/or conservative talk radio? I'll bet that's more than a fringe.

More significant than fringe numbers: No Republican resolution or bill has been introduced, so far as I know, to shut down these leftist media sites.

Democrats have introduced resolutions/legislation to shut down conservative voices. And it is, of course, the whole point of the ludicrously named Fairness Doctrine that many leftists legislators have promoted.

===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle (@DeHavelle)

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Re: About shutting down the news media ... marmoe October 9 2018, 05:39:15 UTC
It was a Leftist news outlet that won in court the right to lie to the public.
Citation please. The only case turning up to a "'right to lie' media" search for me is the rumor that a Fox affiliate used that defense in court, a rumor rated false by both Politifact and Snopes.

And it is, of course, the whole point of the ludicrously named Fairness Doctrine that many leftists legislators have promoted.
Based on the Radio Act of 1927, ammended in 1934, both enacted under a Republican House, Senate and President. Put into a FCC rule in 1949 (Rep. House + Senate, Dem. President). Them pesky leftists legislators. (Subject to revision, looks like I may have misread a graphic)

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Re: About shutting down the news media ... level_head October 9 2018, 07:02:35 UTC
It is "pesky" leftists, and ONLY leftists, pushing to re-activate the Fairness Doctrine - expanded to also take down conservative bloggers with 200 followers or more. This is not the "Radio Act." And in any event, that act did not prohibit intensely political radio broadcasts. See, for example, Father Coughlin and Father Devine.

By the way, are you really sure about the "Republican House, Senate and President"? I think the actual people involved would be surprised. I imagine you're familiar with Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Be careful relying on Wikipedia. And Snopes and Politifact, for that matter, although it's happy news that they got this right.

As for "right to lie," see this:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/level_head/623460.html

===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle (@DeHavelle)

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Re: About shutting down the news media ... marmoe October 9 2018, 14:49:50 UTC
Radio Act of 1927 straight Republican under Coolidge, 1934 Ammendment straight Democrats und FDR. Sorry for the unwarrented snark, got some salt to go with my crow?

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Re: About shutting down the news media ... level_head October 9 2018, 17:52:57 UTC
Coolidge was one of our best presidents. As Harding's VP, then after Harding's death, he cut government by almost 75% (ending what would have been the Great Depression) and took a massive bite out of the national debt. This gave rise to the Roaring Twenties, a period of great US prosperity.

But then Hoover came a long, and then FDR, and now the Great Depression was here to stay, for more than a decade.

But pro- and anti-FDR political radio was very much a part of FDR's time, and Father Coughlin was as well-known as Rush Limbaugh is now.

===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle (@DeHavelle)

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Re: About shutting down the news media ... level_head October 8 2018, 21:30:13 UTC
Incidentally, that IPSOS poll was online, which has its own inherent selection bias. And 8% of Democrats agreed (as did 10% of independents) that President Trump should shut down those leftist outlets, according to the press release.

They're pretty stinky, those outlets, and they've been going out of their way to demonstrate how biased they are. They don't even seem to pretend anymore.

Incidentally, when you match the poll to the terms I have used, you get 18% of conservatives and 10% of liberals want to shut these things down. Not quite so different, is it?

===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle (@DeHavelle)

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Re: About shutting down the news media ... marmoe October 9 2018, 05:41:14 UTC

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Re: About shutting down the news media ... level_head October 9 2018, 17:55:21 UTC
I remain intrigued at the number of Democrats who want Trump to shut down leftist media. The Independents are less surprising.

These are still fringe numbers, but a bit counter-intuitive.

===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle (@DeHavelle)

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