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nianeyna August 25 2010, 06:15:24 UTC
As a woman studying in a very male-dominated field (computer science), I have a theory about the seriously skewed ratios. As I see it we have two main problems:

1) Social stigma. Women are "feeling." They're "nurturing." They have "intuition." They can't think critically, and anyway no guy wants to marry a woman who's smarter than he is, right? And on and on ad nauseum. Let me tell you, if everyone is telling you repeatedly that you can't do something, you really start to think you can't do it.

2) I'm not sure how to explain this. Okay - so I went to an all girls high school. And I took AP Computer Science. There were twelve girls in my class. There I was, learning to program, it was fun! I decided to major in it. I knew it would be male dominated, but hey, no big right? We're all there to learn, gender doesn't matter!

No.

When you're one of one or two women in a class of fifteen, twenty people, you are not a computer science major. You are a female computer science major. You are The Girl. It's not that anyone is creepy or ( ... )

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kenaressa August 25 2010, 06:27:17 UTC
I didn't feel unwelcome when I was at University (Bio major)...maybe a bit outnumbered, but I'm smart enough that it didn't feel like an issue.

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nianeyna August 25 2010, 06:34:34 UTC
Hmmmm... I imagine individual experiences vary greatly. :) Also, bio has much higher percentage of women than cs, to my knowledge.

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kenaressa August 25 2010, 06:48:08 UTC
*nods* I agree with you there (both on the individual experiences and fewer women in cs than bio)

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lynnenne August 25 2010, 12:55:30 UTC
I read something a while back that professions only begin to undergo a "cultural shift" when about one-third of the practitioners are women. Thus, many sciences, such as medicine, are already very welcoming of women because more than one-third of the students are female. Even math and physics are trending in this direction. Computer science and engineering are the last holdouts, and are still not women-friendly.

In 1989, in Montreal, a frustrated would-be engineer walked into an engineering class at Ecole Polytechnique with a gun. He ordered all the male students and the male teacher to leave, then shot and killed the 14 female students, yelling, "You are all a bunch of feminists!" Then he shot himself. Apparently he had been unable to win a spot in the engineering class and blamed affirmative action for his failures.

So, yeah. I thought twice about studying engineering after that.

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lettered August 26 2010, 20:21:27 UTC
Wow.

My dad told me never to be an engineer because I would have to work for The Man. He told my two brothers this too, though.

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lettered August 26 2010, 20:17:55 UTC
Interesting. I wish you and kenaressa had been at Third Place--elanid and jaded_grave and I had such an interesting conversation about this!

2) I understand what you mean. On the other hand, I'm not sure I would even notice if I was the only girl in a classroom. Not because I'm so above it all; I'm not trying to say that. But I tend to be very oblivious to everything, and at the same time I sort of feel awkward or out of place wherever I am. I guess what I'm wondering is how much of this feeling is something we girls put on ourselves, rather than a vibe fellow male classmates give off.

1) Definitely. I'd like to say I'm not affected by this, but I grew up loving books like Jane Eyre, where the male in the relationship is older and more worldly and the heroine is a young innocent who Must Learn. That particular dynamic has always really attracted me, but when I think about it I can't think of an example where the woman is the teaching partner and the male is an innocent in the ways of the world. Maybe I would've gravitated toward something different ( ... )

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