the "Mind"-"Body" problem for phenomenology: Excusing the question

Jun 10, 2004 16:27

Troubled by my inability to address such a canonical question as how brain chemistry relates to the lived body, I have had several mini-epiphanies as of the last few days. The first relates to my issues with language that I alluded to. By asking the mind-body question in terms of consciousness and physicalism, it becomes virtually impossible for ( Read more... )

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Bridging the gulf apperception June 10 2004, 16:54:31 UTC
When you get deeply into fields like German idealism, Romanticism, phenomenology, deconstruction, and even psychoanalysis and Marxism, its easy to lose any sense of connection to what mainstream philosophers are doing in fields like philosophy of mind, philosophy of language, epistemology, etc. For example, while thinkers like Descartes and Locke could identify something like the freedom vs. determinism debate, it would have seemed foreign and redundant to the majority of thinkers of the 19th century. This problem was considered "solved" by Kant. In order to explain to an analytic student why this question is redundant is not as simple as giving a one-sentence response. It requires bringing in a metaphysical framework that is going to appear totally foreign. You literally have to work from the ground-up. This can be very difficult and tiring. So I relate very much to the spirit of what you're saying.

Nonetheless I think it is important to attempt to bridge that gap, so long as the interlocutor is open to rational dialogue. The difficult concepts in the diverse field of "continental" philosophy have to be earned; not assumed from the outset as an article of faith. We don't want transcendent critique of analytic philosophy that arrogantly takes its starting point from the outside. I think it's more productive to explode the metaphysical realist worldview (for example) from the inside out, and thereby show why the insights of continental philosophy necessarily follow.

This is one of the reasons why I think it is so important to have a fluent grasp of Kant. First, many of the problems of contemporary philosophy that do not find their solution in Kant can at least find orientation there. But second, I think Kant's philosophy contains within it many of the eroneous assumptions of modern philosophy and of modernity in general, and an immanent critique of Kant shows us ways to critique some of the other trends of modern philosophy. Not only that, but the gestures of many continental thinkers (especially Heidegger in Being and Time) can be understood as a continuation of the Kantian project.

Quine's is fixed and in need of quantification and description, while Heidegger's is in flux and incapable of being divorced from the consideration of a subject (I realize this is a more complicated claim to make in reference to later Heidegger, but is true at least of Being and Time).

I'm not sure that I would characterize this as the major difference between someone like Quine and Heidegger. The difference in Heidegger is that the practical grounds the theoretical. Presence-at-hand is a restriction of the equipmental background, of things ready-to-hand. The practical projects an ontology before itself that must in a certain way be more primordial than the ontology projected by the theoretical. (And in this he is following very closely Kant's project of a moral ontology in the third critique.) What is powerful about this is not only that it evades the problems of making the theoretical primary -- as many analytical philosophers do -- but it gives an account of how we move from things ready-to-hand to seeing them as present-at-hand. You could make Heidegger totally compatible with natural science without damaging either of them. Heidegger's insight, though, is that there is a "background" level which evades theoretical explanation. The theoretical is a "subset" of it. That's what I see as the big difference (and the big advantage, of course).

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I'd just like to say that I enjoy having you on my friend's list, and it's a pleasure both to read and respond to your posts!

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Like over the River Kwai?!? leafofgrass June 10 2004, 23:58:50 UTC
Well, from the very onset it becomes obvious that we are in agreement concerning a great many things... at least in this regard. What was particularly surprising to me, at least in my own interaction with trenchant analytics, is the total neglect of Kant. I too feel that a return to Kant is the best way to have analytics take continental thought seriously, but, as an analytic formerly of my department says, the history of philosophy begins with Wittgenstein. I just don't understand this ahistorical approach that simply leads to recreating the false grails of the past.

The key to the entire situation seems to be the openness of the analytic interlocutor. Although this situation might change, I have not encountered many analytics that are willing to listen, and the establishments are, largely, theirs. I don't see this situation changing much in the near future--especially given the severe pragmatic (in the non-philosophical sense) bent of our society--so I'm just going to carry on with what I think is important in peace.

As far as Quine-Heidegger go, I was just using them as exemplars of metaphysics competing with ontology. I like how you have treated Heidegger's thought as a subversion of reason, so to speak. My own philosophical project lies down this path as well, but not in the sense of being a-rational or irrational, or even in the prioritizing of practical concerns (though I do think this is the correct order of things!).

Just as a general comment: I think the implications of the third critique incontemporary continental thought is an area that is left largely unexplored. Merleau-Ponty was obviously very influenced by Kant as well, not coincidental, I think, with Brunschvig as a teacher!

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Re: regarding Kant apperception June 11 2004, 22:44:50 UTC
With regard to Kant, I've found that the majority of analytical clearheads who read Kant are exclusively interested in the Transcendental Analytic to the exclusion of not only the rest of the first critique but also of the rest of Kant's philosophy. And with this usually comes the perfunctory dross about how Kant is an epistemologist and how he's trying to ground the natural sciences. The trick to unsettling the clearhead account may be to begin at the other end, starting with issues like orientation and teleology, issues which were essential to Kant's conception of and motivation toward philosophy.

One of the great things about the Critique of Judgment is that it is, in so many ways, a brilliant work in the philosophy of science. It succeeds in demonstrating the consequence of the primacy of the practical for Kant: that the Newtonian account of the universe does not stand on its own, it is not self-grounded, but rather it presupposes a non-conceptual background that has the principle of purposiveness as the condition of the space of its operation. One's reading of the third critique is crucial in this regard. If you take the pedestrian reading of it -- the idea that the third critique makes the world safe for the other two critiques -- then you're going to be a lot more amenable to analytic philosophy. But if you take a more radical, "explosive" reading of it, you're going to find that the basic divisions of the system -- divisions which constitute in many ways the way of being of dogmatic philosophy -- unstable and in need of revision. It comes down to whether or not you think questions of aesthetics destabilize the traditional notion of truth. I see this as a major difference between continen

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Re: regarding Kant apperception June 11 2004, 22:45:59 UTC
between continental and analytic philosophy.

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Re: I need a Kant icon leafofgrass June 12 2004, 18:44:51 UTC
My friend Marcus and I have been talking a lot about the re-introduction of final causes into philosophical thought as of late. Mostly, we have been inspired by Heidegger, but I realized in my course on the third Critique that he was inspired down this road by Kant. Although we did not go into the Critique of Teleological Judgment as deeply as we did that of aesthetic judgment, I got the impression that Kant was attempting something radically different from what so many [analytics] believe him to be doing. Have you read Guyer's book? Whoa, it is a straightforward breakdown of the issues at play, but it seems to lack the care for Kant's concerns that I would think is necessary to write such a tome. I favored Allison's reading much more-I think he takes the concept of purposiveness/finality much more seriously. Regardless, I see what you mean. :-)

As a post scriptum: Suzanne Langer's book Mind is supposed to be an analytic attempt to bring stability to the analytic project through the introduction of aesthetic concerns. Not very surprisingly, Langer's being both a female and an aesthetician, the analytic establishment has largely failed to recognize her contributions. I'll get back to you if it's worth reading.

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Re: I need a German Enlightenment lunchbox apperception June 13 2004, 02:08:32 UTC
re: teleology

Right. The third critique in its entirety is something like an attempt at a moral ontology. He showed that freedom exists and that it is absolute, but this requires that the world be the kind of place in which freedom can exist. Therefore he has to revise the account of the world put forward in the first critique, because Newtonian science is incompatible with the demands of freedom. This is very close to what Heidegger is doing in Being and Time, and that's why it's his most Kantian book. Both books are an attempt at a teleology without a telos.

re: Guyer

I haven't read his book, although I've read Allison's. As my teacher Jay Bernstein has remarked, if there is a 9th level of hell, Allison and Guyer will be in it, circling around each other in an unending Death Match.

Allison is a great Kant scholar. He gives a very fair, even charitable reading of Kant. The problem is that he doesn't think Kant ever made a bad argument anywhere!

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Re: If only such things existed! I would be so envious... leafofgrass June 13 2004, 10:33:31 UTC
Does someone talk explicitly about "teleology without a telos?" This is what Marcus as calling it as well, but I hadn't heard that coinage before. I really like the idea behind Zweckmassigkeit without a Zweck, but this sounds an awful like some sort of faith in progress rather than a liberating concept. I'd be interested in chatting about this further, but maybe such a public forum isn't the place to be getting into our own respective ideas.

I really like that image of Allison and Guyer's bloodsport! The Kant prof in Memphis, Hoke Robinson, although he loves Allison, frequently jokes about how Allison seemingly effortlessly just invents interpretations of Kant to make him more coherent. The problem with this, of course, is that by making Kant's thought seemless you close off the possibility for its evolution--and the possible flaw of the project itself (such as you pointed out earlier).

Hey! This is great! We're actually shooting the breeze about philosophy, which is the reason I started this journal in the first place. Are you going to be applying around in the Spring to go on for our Ph.D. in the Fall? If you are, I can keep you posted on the goings on down here in Memphis. Although the city itself is no NYC, far from it actually, our program is full of a bunch of great people... students and faculty. Hoke would be particularly happy to have someone else interested in Kant, apparently I'm the first one in the history of the program (but, like I said, his reading tends to favor Allison's perspective). If you are interested in German Romanticism, though, for your dissertation, I wouldn't even consider us. We cover Heidegger and French philosophy pretty thoroughly, however.

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Re: [GnR][montage]Kant, Fichte, Hegel[/montage][/GnR] apperception June 14 2004, 11:26:45 UTC
I'm not sure where the term "teleology without a telos" comes from. Jay Bernstein has said it a few times, so I say it. Because, you know, I have my tongue up his ass. But it means basically the same thing as purposiveness without purpose or finality without end, depending on which translation you use. A 'telos' is just a final cause, but that's what Kant wants to aver that we have absolutely no knowledge of. Nevertheless, a teleological framework imposes itself upon human thinking as a rational constraint. Contra Popper, contra Kuhn, Kant believes that natural science projects a system of natural laws ahead of itself as a precondition of doing things like "normal science" or "falsification". So yeah, there's a definite sense of progress in Kant's theory of the natural sciences, although that toward which we are progressing (world totality?) has no ontological weight.

The problem with this, of course, is that by making Kant's thought seemless you close off the possibility for its evolution

The Stamp Collection attitude toward doing philosophy, yeah. Adorno likes to make fun of that in his book on Kant's first critique. (That book is hilarious, by the way.)

I don't know what I'm doing for my PhD. I'm going to finish the MA here, but then I don't know. New School is really expensive, disorganized, and there are just too many people in the program. On the other hand, of all the programs I looked at, this one was by far the most desirable in terms of who is here and the curriculum. (Critical theory is an important aspect of our program.) The location is also great fo

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Re: [GnR][montage]Kant, Fichte, Hegel[/montage][/GnR] apperception June 14 2004, 11:28:06 UTC
The location is also great for me as I'm phobic of the rest of this country and its benighted ways (especially the south).

I may apply to other places just to see what they throw at me. If I got a good scholarship and thus could avoid going into further mountains of debt, I might just have to take advantage of that. Then again, maybe my own program will finally recognize my genius and offer to pick up the slack ... but I'm not holding my breath. :)

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Re: [GnR][montage]Kant, Fichte, Hegel[/montage][/GnR] leafofgrass June 15 2004, 12:40:18 UTC
there's a definite sense of progress in Kant's theory of the natural sciences, although that toward which we are progressing (world totality?) has no ontological weight.

Yes, that's right. I am forgetting my B-Deduction. Hoke stressed this as we were going through it: since every new apperception adds to the synthetic unity thereof, there can be no way to have a completed or total unity. Since science is based in perceptions and apperception, it too cannot be completed because there will always be a smaller part to discover or a larger classification to make. Although I'm not so sure how much I buy Hoke's take on that last part, the former seems to play well with what he says in the third Critique. Maybe we should see what jupitah has to say about this? :-)

As far as grad school goes, maybe check out DePaul? They do a lot of Critical Theory and Heidegger, I think. Chicago might not be so bad either; I liked it when I was there. You are right, though, Memphis is not that exciting (although the student community makes it worthwhile). I think I'm starting to get antsy because my hard-core philosophy discussion buddies are all going to graduate in the next year (I fell in with the older students). Like I said, I'm the only one reading Kant and definitely the only phenomenologist. Len supports me completely, but he is also the person who wrote an article entitled something like "The death of phenomenology".

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Re: [GnR][montage]Kant, Fichte, Hegel[/montage][/GnR] apperception June 15 2004, 13:25:58 UTC
Right, of course. I was thinking more of the "Appendix" to the "Dialectic", where he talks about the system of laws. Reason projects this as a regulative idea, as an always-yet-to-be-realized goal. Of course this plays a major role in the third critique...

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