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Apr 15, 2004 11:39

The following was posted by byzantinespy:
While I was there we all watched President Bush conduct his much anticipated televised news conference. My first thought was that the press was asking him especially hostile questions. "Don't you think you should apologize?" and "Can't you think of any mistakes you have ever made?" seemed almost catty. But I was also ( Read more... )

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29usc151 April 15 2004, 10:25:13 UTC
Some comments on your exposition:

1. Bush does reflect a problem that ideologues always suffer: he has a distinct inability to step outside of his own frame of thinking and analyze the world from the opposite (or simply alternative) viewpoint.

2. I think that it's a mistake to think of Bush as a stupid person because it leads us down a path where we lower our defenses against what we come to view as the idle rich. I was reading an article about that show "The Simple Life" with Paris Hilton that discussed the way the media often portrays the rich as idiotic, naive, and out of touch with the world. We can't dwell on that aspect of these people and neglect the fact that there are some very astute individuals out there who know exactly what they're doing and have their sights set on specific goals. Bush is smart enough to have surrounded himself with some very capable people. That's his corporate philosophy - which breaks down, of course, when his handlers can't be with him. Note that he and Cheney are going to jointly testify before the 9/11 commission.

3. I definitely agree that we can't make Bush a scapegoat and let the ideology off the hook. However, I don't think that most votes against Bush will be votes against capitalism - I wish they were, but I think that people are, at this stage in history, unable and unwilling to make that kind of a connection.

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#3 madamebovary April 16 2004, 08:46:50 UTC
I agree with you on this point. And am even a tid unsettled about what it would mean if we did vote against capitalism. What would be next?

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Re: #3 29usc151 April 16 2004, 09:12:01 UTC
Actually, I don't think that a "vote against capitalism" is ever going to make sense. By the time that society gets to a point where it's ready to vote against capitalism, we'll already be at the "next" stage. (Note that I don't think this is part of some "inevitable march of history".)

When people get to a point where they are ready to reject capitalist economics, they'll just do so.

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Re: #3 leafofgrass April 16 2004, 13:46:30 UTC
I'm inclined to agree with James, I was being a bit abstract. I don't think the powers that be would ever really put something like that up for referendum... They wouldn't have to, they control the military and if it comes to maintaining power by using it, I have no fear that our own gums would be turned against us in an instant.

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Re: #3 madamebovary April 16 2004, 17:13:29 UTC
quite.

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leafofgrass April 16 2004, 13:44:39 UTC
That's a really good point about the idle rich, I hadn't thought about it in quite those terms. A point worth noting is that "simple life" or whatever the hell it was called was aired on FOX-the most evil network of them all. I hate you Rupert Murdoch!

I should have been more careful since my point about Bush isn't necessarily that he's an oblivious or ignorant rich person, but rather that he lacks certain cognitive capacities... he's just plain dumb. Sure, he's surrounded by smart people, but that is probably more because his dad gave him advice on who to put in those positions.

With the whole vote against capitalism thing, I didn't really mean that it would be an intentional thing with people going into the voting booth trying to uproot the political system. Since Bush embodies the limits of capitalism, with all of its blatant disregard for the underclasses and exploitation of human life in general, that to vote against him is to vote against those things. Whether they like it or not, this election is ideological--this is not to say that Kerry is not a proponent of capitalism, but whenever there is a tempering of the capitalist ideology by something else, there is an implicit charge being made that capitalsm is somehow inhumane or inadequate to provide a good human life.

These, are, of course, just my thoughts on the matter. I make no claims at objectivity or universality. I'm just happy that Bill Frist is retiring and I get to help put someone else in his place!

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