Supernatural 4.18 Review
What kind of comic shop labels their shelves “fantasy”? That would be…most comics. I mean, a lot of times they label them by company and alphabetical order and release date, but never…fantasy. Kripke seems like he would be a comic geek, why doesn’t he know this?
Also, I know of want EVERYTHING in that store. *misses comics*
I love how Dean doesn’t know what LARPing is. I bet Sam does though. That seems like something that would happen at Stanford. Actually, I think I read a J2 fic about that…
Haha, Sal and Dane! Okay, I’m not the biggest fan of Julie Siege’s writing, but she obviously fangirls Kripke and the rest of the writers like crazy. She knows her stuff. Sam is so much better than Sal though, that was good change. Also, Winchester > Harrison.
Underground cult following! It’s big in Japan on the internet!
CARVER EDLUND!!! *hearts both Carver and Edlund*
First of all, I really like Dean’s position laying on the bed. We don’t get to see the boys all…relaxed like that so often. And I bet the sex in Route 666 is really badly written. Lots of painful metaphors. GAFF bad. Queeb.
We the fans don’t complain a lot. We’re they’re just opinionated. Yeah. That’s it.
I love how pissed off Dean is that even on the internet, people think he’s gay. And apparently, there have been quite a few people who have started watching the show without realizing that they’re brothers, but still knowing how popular Sam/Dean is and how they’re the OTP and have started shipping them…and then realized it. Which is rather FUCKING HILARIOUS.
Hee to Sam’s long flowing hair and rippling abs on the cover. He looks like Fabio. And Dean…Dean just looks gay.
I know that quite a few people were offended by the mention of slash and how the publisher fangirl was portrayed and to that I say shut up come on. It was affectionate teasing to us by the writers and the fangirl? Is supposed to be Sera Gamble. If I remember correctly, the character’s name is even Sera Siege after Sera and Julie. They’re making fun of themselves at least as much as us if not more.
Also, the girl who plays Sera? Was in The Usual Suspects, which was also directed by Mike Rohl.
Hee, Dr. Sexy, M.D. No one wants to watch read that crap anymore…
I love how Dean is all, “NO PUBLISHING.” He’s so freaked out by this. I mean, understandably and stuff, it’s just adorable. I also like how him saying that they don’t want to continue is rather like the cast/crew/Kripke saying that after season five, they don’t want to do any more show. He doesn’t want to make a TV show, he wants to tell a story and there will be no more story no matter how much Dawn O wants it because this is not fucking Smallville.
“The best parts are when they cry!” Or when Sam is shirtless, right, Sera?
I love that when she mentions killing Madison, Dean turns to make sure Sam’s okay. He loves his little brother.
This…this is the first time that Sam is learning that Dean called their dad for help in Home, isn’t it? That’s…kind of sad and I’m kind of sad that they glossed over that. Is there fic about the boys addressing that? If there is, I would enjoy a link. If not, I would enjoy someone writing it for me. ;)
“I don’t want any smartass article making fun of my boys.” Someone read the EW article, I see…
It hurts that Sam seems to barely remember his LSAT score. It was so important for him and he went out to celebrate with Jess and now… Awww, Sammy…
Hee, the tattoos! That’s a nice little piece of continuity. Though, honestly, tattoos scare me and squick me out like crazy, but if I were to get a tattoo in an alternate reality where they didn’t freak me out, I’d probably get something like that. It’s a cool symbol, Supernatural-related or not.
I like Chuck. And I like how the writers poke fun at themselves and each other using Chuck.
HAHAHA I love how much taller Sam is than Chuck. God, Jared’s such a giant.
I do like how Chuck ostensibly writes continuation fanfic for his books. I bet he does all those secrets on fandom secrets. And if he posted it online, the fans would be like, “GOD THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. THESE FICS SUCK. SO OOC. FLAME FLAME FLAME.”
I love the name drop for Phil, especially because he puts the gag reels together. He would totally make a joke like this.
…who writes a book series about a family and doesn’t put their last name in???
Hmmm…a cruel, capricious God…sound like anyone we know? Also, according to Jesus, I’m a prophet and Andi is my archangel. Trufax.
HEE at making fun of the episodes! Bugs is only fun if you watch the end part while listening to the boys tell the bee story (and then realizing that they actually CGI’d them all anyway) and, well, I don’t mind Red Sky At Morning as much as most because Bela. <3 I quite like her.
Writing IS hard. Especially drabbles, BRIDGET.
Guys, look, Dean reads!
I love seeing them actually doing laundry. It’s just…it’s such a fan thing and it’s nice to see it happening. Which leads me to a point that Julie Siege fangirls Kripke and the writers, but she also seems to fangirl us too. She knows far too much about fandom and our little quirks not to.
BITCHFACE. Also, I bet Sam calls Dean a dick in his head a lot.
“Sam turns his back on Dean.” That’s…that’s an extremely specific phrase right there…
I feel sorry for Chuck and his little nightmares. But it does lend credit to the theory that he’s a psychic since Sammy used to have those too.
GUYS!!! DEAN MENTIONS HELL WITHOUT TAKING FIVE MINUTES OUT TO CRY AT THE SIDE OF THE ROAD OR HIT HIS BROTHER. THIS IS PROGRESS. THANK YOU, ZACK!
Aw, I kind of like how Sam goes from, “LILITH!?” to “Coming for me? IT’S ABOUT TIME.” Like, as soon as he knows that Dean isn’t involved, that she isn’t coming to kill his brother again, he goes from worried and concerned to excited and ready to fight. I think it shows a lot about his mindset.
…there’s only one way in and out of town? Really? REALLY? Are they on an island?
KRIPKE’S HOLLOW DINER. HAHAHAHA.
I kind of love that Dean is trying so hard not to face her. Like, he’s worried about himself and Sam but he’s actually doing something about it. He’s working through his fear and trying to get stuff done and I’m so proud of him. *gives him cookies for most improved*
Chuck is a…very in depth writer. Just saying. Down to the bacon cheeseburgers? I can see him talking in detail about the bandaids because that is out of the ordinary, but…
I didn’t hear this at first, but Oprah’s girlfriend, lol.
See, Julie Siege knows what we’re talking about! Sam eats salads! When Sam eats, I mean.
DEAN. You were doing SO GOOD, don’t ruin it now!
Aw, look at Sam being all smart and tactical. John would…almost be proud, but then he’s John so he’d probably say something emotionally scarring instead. Mary would be proud.
Good job, boys. Use “I statements” to show how you feel rather than blaming others for your issues. *applauds*
Andi, this is a warning, you should sit down if you’re not but…I can actually see both boys’ POVs here. Obviously, Lilith scares the fuck out of Dean. And it’s not even in a way that the YED scared him because where the YED was concerned, Dean had a bone to pick and killing the YED was more important than being scared and he knew that Sam had his back. The last time they faced Lilith, there was nothing he could do except die. And it’s not like it’s even something he can get revenge for because he made the deal, he followed through with it like he was supposed to. But he’ll always associate hell with her and we know from Yellow Fever that having her send him back is his worst fear.
But at the same time, Sam is also scared he’s just dealing with his fear in a different way. He’s always been the type to face things head on, whether it be demons or Dad (not that the two are very different), and he just wants this OVER WITH. Sam is a person who needs to know things, who needs to control them, and he doesn’t like guessing where Lilith is or not knowing how things are going down. Find her, get it done, and then it’s over with and he’s not wondering anymore. And if he dies in the process, I think he’d actually be at least slightly okay with that because Dean is alive and that’s what matters and maybe he thinks a little bit that if he was dead, Dean wouldn’t be able to bring him back and he’d have to step up to the plate and take care of his own self and for once, Sam’s death would actually mean something.
SAM. FOOD IN HIS MOUTH. CHEWING.
You know that Dean just chose that hotel because of the Magic Fingers. I’m on to you, Dean.
Isn’t…the Impala parked already? I mean, you do realize that by going to park the Impala elsewhere that you have to drive it around, right?
Dean, I think you’re projecting just a bit. Obviously your best day ever would be a motel room to yourself with no research, watching porn with the Magic Fingers.
This is…rather reminiscent of Bad Day At Black Rock with one major difference: this time, Sam doesn’t want to be taken care of. Back then, he wanted Dean to be his big brother, wanted him to watch out for him and be Dean, especially since Sam actually did need to be watched over then. But now…Sam’s all grown up big and strong. He wants to take care of Dean, he’s the big brother now. He doesn’t want to be treated like a child anymore.
Wrong is…such a subjective word, Kripke Chuck. Plus, you’re making Sam sad! *pets the puppy*
*sits back and listens to Sam say everything I’ve been saying for a few months now* I love it when the writers do my work for me. Sam loves his big brother. Also, shut up, CHUCK. You’re a prophet, not Dr. Phil. You didn’t see…whoever had the vision in Revelation (John? I wanna say John. God, I suck at this Bible stuff) trying to all analyze it. Why does it have to be one or the other? Can’t it be both?
It IS a terrible burden and while Sam has extremely nice shoulders, they shouldn’t be carrying the weight of the world.
God, those earrings are so fugly… Also, the lady just hit him with her car, didn’t anyone call 911???
Hey, guys, look, it’s Castiel and his hilarious growly voice! “DEAN, LET GO OF THE CUPCAKES.”
The Winchester Gospel. Huh. Say, it’s almost like no one’s ever thought of that before.
Also, I’m pretty sure the Winchester Gospel would mean that the gospel was written…by the Winchesters. This is the Gospel of Chuck, Book of the Winchesters. Just sayin’. Does ANYONE on that writing staff own an actual Bible?
I’m…slightly confused about this though. Because, if he’s a prophet, he just knows all that is to come so…how do the Winchesters have a background? How does he know about their mother? Does he know about In the Beginning? A Very Supernatural Christmas? Something Wicked? Afterschool Special? I mean, no wonder the books didn’t do very well, the characters have no backstory!
Poor Chuck. He needs a hug.
I lol’ed at the Luke part. John is my fave.
You know, Castiel, you don’t seem to know ANYTHING. Like, if this was like Target or something, Castiel would be a part time register person, that’s how little he seems to know about everything. He wouldn’t even get benefits.
I’m a little confused though. I mean, if Dean wanted to stop the so-called love connection, why not just…stay in the hotel with Sam? I don’t think Lilith wants an audience. Though, well, actually… But either way, that’s a complete opposite from what the manuscript said. I know he’s scared of Lilith, but they have a better chance together, especially since it doesn’t read, “And then Lilith kills Dean, The End.”
HOW IS IT DARKSIDE TO WANT TO KILL THE PERSON WHO IS TRYING TO STOP THE APOCALYPSE, THE CURRENT BITCH QUEEN OF HELL? I’D SAY THE INTENTIONS THERE ARE PRETTY DAMN GOOD, EVEN IF THE METHODS ARE QUESTIONABLE.
You know, if hunters like to talk, then angels don’t know how to shut the hell up. THIS IS NOT MAKING ME LIKE CASTIEL ANY MORE.
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT. Does Castiel REALLY not know how Sam is getting stronger or did he just not tell Dean? Because GOD knows how Sam is getting stronger. He has to know to tell Chuck. So either God is not sharing information with Castiel or Castiel is not sharing information with Dean.
I know that Dean is not used to Sam telling him no, but Sam did have four months without anyone to answer to, not to mention all those years without anyone at Stanford. I really think Dean never realized just how much Sam takes control. Sam used to be a lot better at subtly being in charge without Dean noticing.
I’m not ashamed to admit that I cried the when Dean first started praying and I’ve been crying every other time since I saw that scene. I love it so much. This entire scene is directed beautifully, down to Misha looking all pissed when Dean says screw God.
Oh, Dean, yes! Stand up for yourself!
See, I…Castiel’s little speech doesn’t make sense at all really, in regards to their conversation. “Why can’t I pull Sam out? Well, if anything tries to hurt a prophet.” Nonsequitor much? That doesn’t explain why he can’t do anything about the prophecy. Dean changes the prophecy, nothing bad happened to him. Plus, Zack could have shown up and smacked Castiel upside the head and I could have cheered.
Hee, I love it when Castiel is all coy. Guys, look, it’s a personality! A personality much like Misha’s, which is why I probably liked it. How come Mike Rohl is the only person who can make me like him? God, I really hope he sticks around. I get the feeling he inherited Kim’s awesome or something.
WHY LOOK CASTIEL, YOU JUST INTERFERED WITH PROPHECY AND NOTHING HAPPENED. SO, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN TOTALLY MARCH IN THERE AND MAKE SAM LEAVE AND NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN.
I’m…I’m totally lolling at the swelling background music as Dean’s like, “LET’S FIGHT!”
Look. Chuck’s a tiny guy and as much as I joke about how Jensen is a midget and he is, it would probably not be difficult for him to just throw Chuck over his shoulder and carry him to the motel.
I can’t decide if I think the girl who plays Lilith is pretty. Like, sometimes I think, “She’s just lovely!” and other times it’s like, “Wow that lighting is…unfortunate.” Also, her eyebrows are far too arched. But I do quite enjoy that she looks like Jess/Mom. Except there’s no way she’s nearly as pretty as Amy.
She can…she can destroy devil’s traps? Well…fuck.
Hee, Sam’s power is like a giant wind machine. Though this does continue with my theory from It’s the Great Pumpkin, Sam Winchester that if anyone can kill Lilith, it’s Lucifer. Or the Colt. Where is the Colt? If Lilith had it, you’d think she’d be opening the Devil’s Gate every other day.
Basically, Sam and Lilith are immune to each other. Which I find very interesting because going back to the beginning of this episode when they were in the comic shop, in X-men, brother Scott and Alex have different powers, but they’re very loosely connected (they both can shoot magenta-ish force rays, Scott from his eyes and Alex from his hands). But the thing is, they can’t hurt each other with them because they’re related. And if you want to think of Charmed, the sisters powers didn’t affect one another either. Their powers have the same origin, so they’re useless against one another. Just…just sayin’…
Dear Actress Who Plays Lilith,
Stop trying to act sexy. You’re actually good when you aren’t. But otherwise, I laugh and I don’t think that’s what you were going for.
Just saying,
Kelly
I’m not sure if this is a writer thing or an actress thing, but I wouldn’t know this was Lilith unless you told me. She’s acted nothing like the Lilith children or Katie!Lilith. Now, maybe she just uses the kid suit to be more creepy and and stuff, which would make it a writer thing. But if she’s supposed to be the Lilith of past episodes, then the actress is fucking it up. Of course, there’s option C where Kripke and Co wanted her to be like Lilith and the network was like UM NO PEDOBEARS PLEASE NO MATTER WHAT HER BODY LOOKS LIKE. *cough* I may have also surmised in the past that Sam should just have sex with Lilith and then all of our problems would be over, but I was just JOKING.
Jared, you are so good this ep. I love that he’s all eyerolly, “Oh, of course she wants me dead, so predictable” but as soon as she mentions Dean, he’s ready to fight.
Can Sam even make a deal for Dean too? I mean, is that allowed? If it was, don’t you think people would be like, “Yeah, I want this. You can totally take my cousin Sue’s soul in ten years!”
Poor Sammy, letting himself be manipulated like that. I mean, I get that he feels bad but…I mean, really, what else could he do? Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. Literally.
You know that Lilith just wanted an excuse to sleep with Sam. The dental hygienist too.
This is the part where I get upset with Dean.
Dear Dean,
You know, if you hadn’t said anything, the archangel might have actually had a chance to kill Lilith before she bolted.
Duh,
Kelly
Andi and I had a long discussion about it (as we…tend to do with everything), but it doesn’t make it any less stupid to me. I have come to the conclusion though that it is just BAD WRITING. I know everyone’s all Julie Siege, YAY, and yes, she’s very good at the crack, I would probably quite enjoy reading non-canon fic of hers, but when it actually pertains to important plots, it always falls flat. I mean her last episode was Criss Angel is a Douchebag, which I really did not like. That one had a lot of problems with pacing and this one had this giant problem of a deus ex machina. I mean, a super angel that can kill anything? Wow. Climactic. She wrote herself into a corner and the only way to get herself out of it was to make Dean look like an idiot because she couldn’t kill the big bad before the season finale.
ALSO, DID I MENTION HOW THEY TOTALLY CHANGED THE PROPHECY SO IT DIDN’T HAPPEN SO CASTIEL HAD NO EXCUSE NOT TO INTERFERE AND ALSO HOW HE TOTALLY INTERFERED TO BEGIN WITH? GOD, I HATE HIM.
It’s really weird that for the entire episode, fate has intervened to make sure that the prophecy happened, but at the part where actual shit was supposed to go down, it didn’t? And the prophecy was wrong the whole time because Lilith was trying to kill Sam more than sex him up. PROPHECIES DO NOT HAVE TWIST ENDINGS. THIS MAKES NO SENSE.
Oh, God, the car…
You know, if Lilith didn’t want to release Lucifer, what’s stopping any other random old demon from doing it? It can’t be just her hobby.
Poor Sam. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. Either way, he feels like Dean is going to judge him unnecessarily, so he says whatever he thinks Dean wants to hear and then Dean…judges him unnecessarily. I think Sam needs a hug.
See, Julie, this is another reason why I don’t like you. You make me happy and agreeing with Dean yay and then you do things like this:
WHY is Dean so upset about Sam wanting to kill Lilith and make sure she’s dead? If this was the YED, he’d be all “YAY!!! LET’S GO KILL THE DEMON!!!” But since this isn’t his fight, he can’t understand it? He can’t support Sam? Bullshit!
ZAAAACK! HI BESTEST FRIEND! You’re gonna go yell at Dean next, right? And smack Castiel upside the head for ruining prophecy?
Actually, Zack, he has been wrong. Like the part where he said Sam and Lilith were going to have sex.
Zack should seriously come in at the end of every episode and be awesome. But it won’t make me like Julie Siege any more. *shrugs*
Quotes!
Dean: Check it out, there are fans. Not many of them, but still. Did you read this?
Sam: Yep.
Dean: For fans, they sure do complain a lot.
Dean: What’s a slash fan?
Sam: As in Sam slash Dean. Together.
Dean: Like together together?
Sam: Yeah.
Dean: They do know we’re brothers, right?
Sam: That doesn’t seem to matter.
Dean: Aw, come on, that’s...that’s just sick.
Sera: No offense, how often do you cry like that?
Dean: Right now, I’m crying on the inside.
Chuck: There’s only one explanation. Obviously I’m a god.
Sam: You’re not a god.
Chuck: How else do you explain it? I write things and then they come to life. No, definitely a god. A cruel, cruel capricious god.
Chuck: Horror is one thing, but to be forced to live bad writing...
Chuck: Writing yourself into the story is one thing, but as a prophet? That’s like M. Night level douchiness.
Dean: Him? Really?
Castiel: You should have seen Luke.
Dean: I’m praying, c’mon. Please.
Castiel: Prayer is a sign of faith.