Rambles on Plastic Surgery and Relationships
evillotto would you ever consider cosmetic surgery, under any circumstance?
lassarina hmm
lassarina that's very broad
lassarina I suppose it would depend on the circumstances
lassarina if I were in an awful accident that completely messed up my face or something I'd probably consider it as I do not particularly like scaring small children
lassarina but I wouldn't just go get a nose job or something
evillotto i like keeping questions like that broad... because the askee (hee hee!) will invariably narrow it down for you
evillotto so it would take dire circumstances, in other words?
evillotto let's say a significant other.... fiancee or nigh-fiancee-level... asked you to. would you?
lassarina *snort* what, they don't like me as I am? screw off then.
lassarina especially if it's something as stupid as augmenting curves or something like that
evillotto interesting...
lassarina well here's the thing
lassarina if the relationshp has approached to that level
lassarina i'd figure they're in it for the long haul and because they like me, my personality
evillotto test case
evillotto actually, I can't think of a test case
evillotto there's really not a tactful way to suggest you change your appearance
evillotto well, not verbally
evillotto let's say
evillotto there's just a brochure
evillotto left on your bed
evillotto and then hubby-to-be acknowledges that he's wondered what you'd look like with new (totally random and not at all indicative of an actual opinion) cheekbones
evillotto would you put him in the doghouse, say no politely, or dump his arse
lassarina most likely #1, possibly #2, #3 is a distinct possibility
evillotto hm. so what's your objection to it?
lassarina I think it's stupid.
lassarina I mean ok if you have some kind of disfigurement, fine
lassarina but why not just be happy with what you've got? we can't all be supermodels
lassarina I think it encourages low self-esteem and vanity
lassarina the person I am inside is much more important than how my face looks
lassarina and it's not like I'm ugly, I'm average. and if I'm going to be marrying someone I hope to hell he is more concerned with who I am than what I look like
lassarina and if he's not then clearly there is something seriously broken in this relationship, quite possibly beyond repair
lassarina because if he's asking me for that
lassarina then I suspect that in three or four years he's going to be bored of me and dumping me and whatever relationship/life we've built for the next hot piece of tail to walk down the street
lassarina so screw that.
evillotto that's a reasoned, well-thought out opinion
lassarina if he's that focused on the physical then this is not a relationsihp, it's an exchange of goods and services.
evillotto *spits coffee onto monitor*
evillotto ROFL
lassarina well it's true.
evillotto i know. but... exchange of goods and services... what a phrase
evillotto *giggling like a tickled monkey*
evillotto *sniff*
evillotto okay. i think i'm okay now.
evillottoso the major factor here, then, is that you feel that people should be satisified with their looks. or at least, that you are, and you don't want to go mucking about with them
evillotto if a friend told you that he/she was considering cosmetic surgery (and let's say they're not disfigured)... would you try to talk them out of it, figure that it's their business and let them go on with the procedure, or ... something else?
lassarina I would want to know *why* they were considering it, and would use that to determine whether I try to talk them out of it. Is it for a significant other? See reasons above. basically: are they doing it for themselves or are they doing it for others? because if they're using it as a crutch for confidence, that's not right.
evillotto hm. lets say the reason is just to be more attractive to potential mates and to make a better impression with people in general.
lassarina nnnnn. I would suggest that perhaps changes to one's clothing style, confidence, presentation, and word choice might be a better place to start.
lassarina (cheaper too)
lassarina for example, when I want to present an image of confidence i usually take the time to select different clothes and put on makeup, do something with my hair - it makes me feel better about myself so I act more confident (although I am generally becoming more confident even without that)
evillotto you're earthy. cool.
lassarina people generally don't notice me until I open my mouth, which is sometimes a good and sometimes a bad thing, but I think that ultimately I like it better that way because that way people are seeing *me* not my face, which is a better basis for friendships/relationships anyway.
evillotto *sends blueprint to Yu-Shan to order ten thousand more Meglet-type personalities*
lassarina o.O
lassarina do you mind if I post part of this to LJ later
evillotto not at all....
evillotto i saw a segment on plastic surgery on the Colbert Report last night, which is why i've got it on the brain this morning
lassarina ah.
evillotto i don't know if i'm as dead-set against it as you are
evillotto i mean, if you have the money and you feel that it would improve your quality of life, i say go for it
evillotto but then, i'm uberliberal
evillotto the world's not a fair place. take every advantage you can (within reason) to improve your lot in life
evillotto you only get one, afawk
evillotto naturally, this is not a license to turn oneself into a near-cyborg via surgery
evillotto i'd be more concerned about the health risks than anything else
lassarina hmm
lassarina that's very broad
lassarina I suppose it would depend on the circumstances
lassarina if I were in an awful accident that completely messed up my face or something I'd probably consider it as I do not particularly like scaring small children
lassarina but I wouldn't just go get a nose job or something
evillotto i like keeping questions like that broad... because the askee (hee hee!) will invariably narrow it down for you
evillotto so it would take dire circumstances, in other words?
evillotto let's say a significant other.... fiancee or nigh-fiancee-level... asked you to. would you?
lassarina *snort* what, they don't like me as I am? screw off then.
lassarina especially if it's something as stupid as augmenting curves or something like that
evillotto interesting...
lassarina well here's the thing
lassarina if the relationshp has approached to that level
lassarina i'd figure they're in it for the long haul and because they like me, my personality
evillotto test case
evillotto actually, I can't think of a test case
evillotto there's really not a tactful way to suggest you change your appearance
evillotto well, not verbally
evillotto let's say
evillotto there's just a brochure
evillotto left on your bed
evillotto and then hubby-to-be acknowledges that he's wondered what you'd look like with new (totally random and not at all indicative of an actual opinion) cheekbones
evillotto would you put him in the doghouse, say no politely, or dump his arse
lassarina most likely #1, possibly #2, #3 is a distinct possibility
evillotto hm. so what's your objection to it?
lassarina I think it's stupid.
lassarina I mean ok if you have some kind of disfigurement, fine
lassarina but why not just be happy with what you've got? we can't all be supermodels
lassarina I think it encourages low self-esteem and vanity
lassarina the person I am inside is much more important than how my face looks
lassarina and it's not like I'm ugly, I'm average. and if I'm going to be marrying someone I hope to hell he is more concerned with who I am than what I look like
lassarina and if he's not then clearly there is something seriously broken in this relationship, quite possibly beyond repair
lassarina because if he's asking me for that
lassarina then I suspect that in three or four years he's going to be bored of me and dumping me and whatever relationship/life we've built for the next hot piece of tail to walk down the street
lassarina so screw that.
evillotto that's a reasoned, well-thought out opinion
lassarina if he's that focused on the physical then this is not a relationsihp, it's an exchange of goods and services.
evillotto *spits coffee onto monitor*
evillotto ROFL
lassarina well it's true.
evillotto i know. but... exchange of goods and services... what a phrase
evillotto *giggling like a tickled monkey*
evillotto *sniff*
evillotto okay. i think i'm okay now.
evillottoso the major factor here, then, is that you feel that people should be satisified with their looks. or at least, that you are, and you don't want to go mucking about with them
evillotto if a friend told you that he/she was considering cosmetic surgery (and let's say they're not disfigured)... would you try to talk them out of it, figure that it's their business and let them go on with the procedure, or ... something else?
lassarina I would want to know *why* they were considering it, and would use that to determine whether I try to talk them out of it. Is it for a significant other? See reasons above. basically: are they doing it for themselves or are they doing it for others? because if they're using it as a crutch for confidence, that's not right.
evillotto hm. lets say the reason is just to be more attractive to potential mates and to make a better impression with people in general.
lassarina nnnnn. I would suggest that perhaps changes to one's clothing style, confidence, presentation, and word choice might be a better place to start.
lassarina (cheaper too)
lassarina for example, when I want to present an image of confidence i usually take the time to select different clothes and put on makeup, do something with my hair - it makes me feel better about myself so I act more confident (although I am generally becoming more confident even without that)
evillotto you're earthy. cool.
lassarina people generally don't notice me until I open my mouth, which is sometimes a good and sometimes a bad thing, but I think that ultimately I like it better that way because that way people are seeing *me* not my face, which is a better basis for friendships/relationships anyway.
evillotto *sends blueprint to Yu-Shan to order ten thousand more Meglet-type personalities*
lassarina o.O
lassarina do you mind if I post part of this to LJ later
evillotto not at all....
evillotto i saw a segment on plastic surgery on the Colbert Report last night, which is why i've got it on the brain this morning
lassarina ah.
evillotto i don't know if i'm as dead-set against it as you are
evillotto i mean, if you have the money and you feel that it would improve your quality of life, i say go for it
evillotto but then, i'm uberliberal
evillotto the world's not a fair place. take every advantage you can (within reason) to improve your lot in life
evillotto you only get one, afawk
evillotto naturally, this is not a license to turn oneself into a near-cyborg via surgery
evillotto i'd be more concerned about the health risks than anything else