Buffy rant: Andrew is gay.

[laserboy]

I'd always been a big fan of Andrew in Buffy and have argued over and over about how pathetic and insulting it was that his motivation in later series 6 and 7 was ignored or treated as a joke

Comments

[johnbobshaun]

Hmm.

I agree to a certain extent. Gay guys did kind of get overlooked in the show, but, heck, it's primarily a feminist text. *Men* get a fairly short shrift. Xander's deeply flawed, Giles isn't much better and Angel, well...

It's sympathies are primarily with Buffy and Willow. I don't really have a problem with that.

I did read something recently that was interesting: Joss Whedon was 50/50 on placing Xander or Willow in a same sex relationship. It ended up being Willow primarily because Seth Green left the show.

[laserboy]

Oh I'm not being anti-women or decrying the very positive portrayal of lesbians on the show (I loved Tara's introduction and think that particular story was really nicely done), but I just found the blindness towards gay men and how gay men were treated on the show very depressing in contrast.

I don't buy that rumour, heh. Wasn't there already a Willow / Xander / Oz / Cordelia thing in... season 2 or 3? When would this have happened? Just seems messy in terms of writing.

[johnbobshaun]

That was season three. Presumably Xander would have met someone in season 4,
instead of Willow meeting Tara.

I do pretty much agree though. The season 8 comics haven't explored it either. I always thought the implied relationship between Angel and Spike was kind of interesting.

[laserboy]

Oh, sorry.. thought you meant him getting together with Oz!

Bit of a shame they didn't give Xander much to do after 3. He barely met anyone at all in that 4th year.

Heh. Well I suppose if someone was just hanging around for years in your face it's likely that something of some definition is going to happen at some point...

[cybik]

Xander and Oz would have been the worst couple ever...

Xander is somewhat, um, superfluous a lot of the time, but I liked the way in season 7 he talks to Dawn about how hard it is to be the completely ordinary, powerless one. It's an interesting scene, that, and it's one of the reasons I like series 7 a lot. And hey, he's still ordinary after he saves the world, which is quite good - you can see he's the solid one who doesn't flip out with power, if that makes sense?

[johnbobshaun]

I agree: he's damn heroic. I love the character. However, watching series 2 and 3 again, he actually does some pretty reprehensible things. And that's not counting his wedding day...

[laserboy]

I think what bothered me though is that in the Buffy universe magic and everything actually exists, so there's nothing stopping him reading up and getting the mojo. His whining about being useless, to me, was a slappable offence.

[johnbobshaun]

Oz and Xander you say?

http://www.geocities.com/meaganola/vtds32.jpg

[laserboy]

Does Oz have more character on a rewatch? Seemed quite shallow.