Dialect part 3

Apr 04, 2008 12:23

Okay, here is a UK version of the dialect meme, with questions added by Bunn, Steepholm, Muuranker, Philmophlegm, Segh and Amalion. Anyone who feels like doing it is free to add extra questions ( Read more... )

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segh April 4 2008, 15:10:49 UTC
Context: Mother cockney but had lived in Leeds and Glasgow, father Irish brought up in Dover, me Sarf London all the way.
1. The space between two buildings containing a footpath: An entry.
2. A knitted item of clothing worn over a shirt, without buttons: Jumper - woolly when I was young.
3. The act of not going to something that you're supposed to go to: Bunking off.
4. Playground game in which someone is "it" and has to touch someone else who then becomes "it.": It. (yes, I know it's boring!) We had stuck-in-the-mud too.
5. Playground truce term when you want a break from the above games: Cross fingers and say Vainites (presumably derived from Fain I.)
6. Playground term you say when you want to claim something: Bags I.
7. Slip-on shoes worn for school sports in the days before trainers: Plimsolls.
8. Small round bread: Bread roll.
9. Sweet course that follows the main course: Pudding. I think my mother said "Sweet" but she may have meant "Suite", who knows?
10. Scone: pronounced to rhyme with "gone" or with "moan": Gone. My mother used to say that people who pronounced them the other way couldn't make them.
11. Generic term for a bird: Bird.
12. Round food stuff made with batter on a griddle, which is brown on the outside: Pancake.
13. A delicacy that you feel is particularly local to you: Suburbs don't have delicacies. My father's favourite pudding was Manchester Tart - a jam tart with a layer of set custard on top. In my youth in the Old Kent Road it was winkles for tea. What happened to winkles, anybody?
14. Term of endearment: My mother used to say "My heart's darling" which she said was Irish - perhaps she got it from her in-laws.
15. Someone who's soft and easily feels the cold: Don't know.
16. Tourists: We used to say "Touroids" when I was at Oxford, but I don't think that counts as slang, it was just a generic insult. A man I knew used to go up to them and say, "Are you a genuine tourist? May I take your photograph?"
17. A field boundary: Hedgerow.
18. You see a group of animals standing in a farm building. They have udders and go moo. Complete the following sentence: "Look at those ____ standing in that ____!": Look at those cows standing in that barn!
19. You haven't had anything to eat in a long time, and your stomach is letting you know about it. You would also like to be warmer. You say: "I'm ____ and ___!": I'm starved with cold.
20. Your friends invite you to enter a haunted house: you demur. What do they call you, by way of a derisive taunt? Wimp.
21. A man who dresses flashily with lots of expensive jewellery is a ____: Flash Harry?
22. What do you say in a shop when you are handed your change?: Thank you.
23. Generic friendly greeting: 'Morning, unless in church, where it's kallimera.
24. Slang term for a pair of trousers: Slacks
25. Slang term for left-handed: Cack-handed. I always wondered if that derived from the Greek kakos, bad.
26. Pronunciation of Shrewsbury? Newcastle? Glasgow? SHROWS-bree, NEW-cass-ul, GLARZgo(but my mother said Glassgae.)
27. Two pieces of bread with a filling: Sarnie.
28. A playground way of saying someone is out of order: "Oh Vee!" The thought of it still chills me.
29. Dialect terms for hands, ears, face - and, indeed, for any other body parts you care to name: Don't know.
30. Terms for someone who looks miserable: Misery-guts. My (very cockney) auntie used to say Misery-guts the barber, which sounds like something out of Unhappy Families.
31. Potatoes: Spuds.
32. Pale round food stuff with a brown base, lots of holes in it, which you serve hot with butter: Crumpet
33. You annoyingly lucky person!: Jammy devil.

I just remembered my auntie's word for common sense, which was nous - also possibly from the Greek. When I was young I still had uncles and aunts that used rhyming slang, without affectation.

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bunn April 4 2008, 15:40:22 UTC
I wonder it Oh Vee is distantly related to Ugger Vee -> Ach yr Fi which is a Welsh expression of alarm and disgust?

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segh April 4 2008, 15:53:20 UTC
Fascinating thought! I remember Jack Black the cobbler in Under Milk Wood is always saying it. I thuught, when I grew up, that it might be from Oh Fie, but I to EE isn't an obvious vowel change - certainly not in South London!

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philmophlegm April 4 2008, 16:20:14 UTC
I think that's actually "Ych a fi". It just means 'urggh', or as you would say, "eeuww".

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bunn April 4 2008, 18:29:37 UTC
Google pulls up examples of Ach y fi , ych y fi, and ych a fi, including a fairly learned looking article that suggests Ach as the Glamorgan spelling - my version would be Glamorgan, yours presumably North Welsh.

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segh April 5 2008, 10:27:43 UTC
I mentioned this one to G., who comes from Essex. He thinks it may come from the Jewish "Oy veh!"

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muuranker April 5 2008, 08:01:24 UTC
Context: Mother rural Northamptonshire, father Dukeries (North Nottinghamshire rural), brought up suburban Northampton, but with some time in north Nottinghamshire too. No significant Greek imput that I know of, but I've got some things in common with segh:

1. The space between two buildings containing a footpath: Jetty (definitely a Northampton word)
2. A knitted item of clothing worn over a shirt, without buttons: Jumper
3. The act of not going to something that you're supposed to go to: skiving (but I also know wagging and bunking off).
4. Playground game in which someone is "it" and has to touch someone else who then becomes "it.": It or Tag. I liked the variant 'Statues'
5. Playground truce term when you want a break from the above games: Kingsies
6. Playground term you say when you want to claim something: "Finders keepers, loosers weepers" (said as pretty much one syllable), or Bagsy
7. Slip-on shoes worn for school sports in the days before trainers: Plimsolls.
8. Small round bread: roll.
9. Sweet course that follows the main course: dessert or pudding. Dessert is what you eat out - unless it is truely a pudding. Pudding is what you eat at home.
10. Scone: pronounced to rhyme with "gone" or with "moan": "moan"
11. Generic term for a bird: Flying rats. Or do you mean something like 'a murder of crows'? Those generic terms were (along with dyslexia) the undoing of me in the 11-plus. I'd never met them before, and thought they were _new_, and that it was a test of creativity! Thankfully, they just made us sit the 11 plus, we didn't get sent to different schools on the results.

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muuranker April 5 2008, 08:01:41 UTC
too long for one reply ...

12. Round food stuff made with batter on a griddle, which is brown on the outside: Pancake? Scotch pancake? Welsh cake?
13. A delicacy that you feel is particularly local to you: I'm not sure if it is local to north Nottinghamshire, but I always associate Lardy Cake with that part of the world. I inherited/learned my passion from my grandmother there.
14. Term of endearment: at what level? To small children I think 'poppet' .
15. Someone who's soft and easily feels the cold: namby-pamby.
16. Tourists: they haven't discovered Northamptonshire yet. In the Dukeries, we just LOOKED. There is an entire body language which I think has passed away without being recorded: the language of servants. It is important not to _say_ anything, because that can be quoted against you.
17. A field boundary: Hedgerow.
18. You see a group of animals standing in a farm building. They have udders and go moo. Complete the following sentence: "Look at those ____ standing in that ____!": Look at those cows standing in that barn! The dialect word (or maybe it's a technical word I do remember is that young neutered males (older than calves, younger than beefburgers) is 'beast'.
19. You haven't had anything to eat in a long time, and your stomach is letting you know about it. You would also like to be warmer. You say: "I'm ____ and ___!": I'm famished and freezing.
20. Your friends invite you to enter a haunted house: you demur. What do they call you, by way of a derisive taunt? Scaredy cat!
21. A man who dresses flashily with lots of expensive jewellery is a ____: Poser. (or someone with more money than sense)
22. What do you say in a shop when you are handed your change?: Thank you or Cheers.
23. Generic friendly greeting: Hello
24. Slang term for a pair of trousers: don't have one
25. Slang term for left-handed: Cack-handed.
26. Pronunciation of Shrewsbury? Newcastle? Glasgow? SHROWS-buh-ree, NEW-cass-ul, GLARZgo.
27. Two pieces of bread with a filling: Sandwich
28. A playground way of saying someone is out of order: 'I'm telling Miss on you!"
29. Dialect terms for hands, ears, face - and, indeed, for any other body parts you care to name: Not especially dialect, hands are paws (in "paws off!") ears are lugholes. Someone who doesn't listen is a 'cloth ears'.
30. Terms for someone who looks miserable: Misery-guts.
31. Potatoes: Potatoes. Or by their specifc names (King Edwards, Maris Pipers, Jersey Royals, etc. etc. I wonder if there are significant differences in the numbers of names of different kinds of foods people know. I'm sure I can do two sides of A4 of cheeses.
32. Pale round food stuff with a brown base, lots of holes in it, which you serve hot with butter: Crumpet
33. You annoyingly lucky person!: Jammy devil.

and a new one: You notice from the sky that it is likely to rain, so you say : "It's looking a bit black over Bill's mothers".

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