Fic: In One Easy Lesson 1/1 J3 (sorta)

Mar 12, 2007 14:46

Title: In One Easy Lesson
Author: Ladyjanelly
Fandom: SPN RPS
Pairing: non-sexual Jared/Jeff (really, it makes sense), Jensen/Jared
Rating: NC-17
Warnings: BDSM-- 100% Safe, sane, concensual bondage, domination, submission, pain-play
Disclaimer: I don't know these guys, this never happened, it's just fiction, 
Huge thank-you to 
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rps, j2, spn, spn rps, jdm

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3 becky_h March 13 2007, 01:47:53 UTC
This almost made me squeal outloud. This is perfect. It's rhythmic touch, it's affirmation of Jared's strength - and it's worked in as casually and perfect as anything I think I've seen anywhere. It's amazing not just for what it's telling Jensen but what it's telling (and doing for) Jared, too.

Now that gets Jensen's attention. “Wait, what?

I had that response but it was another thing that makes me grin. Unexpected is always good, and I really didn't expect Jeff to be straight. It's wonderful.

Jeff shrugs. “He needs it. I like the power; even if it’s not sex, it’s still a rush.”

Good answer! I like that there's a BDSM relationship here without sex. A lot.

Jensen sees Jeff’s hand, there out of Jared’s sight, ready to steady him if his knees don’t hold, and it hasn’t even been that long.

Again with Jeff love. I want my own Jeff. A lot.

Jared squirms his ankle around in the shackle and looks over his shoulder. Jensen catches a glimpse of embarrassed smile. “Leg hair,” Jared says in an exaggerated whisper.

Like a circus stopping for a rat to scamper across the center ring, Jeff stops whatever he was going to do next, bends down, and readjusts the strap until Jared nods and looks relieved.

I giggled. I giggled a lot, in a good way. It's a nice little detail.

And that? Something about the way Jared trusted Jeff to get rid of the not-fun-hurt, and the way Jeff took care of it, hits it home in Jensen's head, that Jeff does this for Jared, not to him.

Light bulb moment, and it's a good one. I like that it wasn't something big but rather something small that got to him. I like that a lot.

I'm going to say here that Jeff explaining to Jared could probably be - not cut out but softened. You're doing such a good job showing what this is giving Jared that you don't have to try so hard to tell, too. I really liked it up until the explanation for the cuffs but in combination with that awesome little moment and earlier explanation it feels like a little bit much.

“Every stroke should be over muscle,” Jeff says, bringing Jensen back into the conversation again. “It’s not healthy to hit along his spine or over his kidneys.” He rests a hand on Jared’s ass, rubbing the welts in.

HA! You took care of the kidneys thing. Trusting you was good *G*.

it makes Jensen's butt clench shut just thinking about it.

I'm dead, but it's in a good way. This is awesome.

The older man’s focus is only on Jared now. Jensen feels like he’s purely an observer for the first time of the evening.

I like this, a lot. I really, really, like it. And Jeff, but I think I've mentioned that?

“You listen to me, Jensen,” he says, and he’s got that John Winchester voice on, gravel and gunpowder and too long on the road. “I’d never let anybody fuck him if I hadn’t talked to him about it first, if he hadn’t known what was coming and agreed to it. And I wouldn’t let somebody fuck him that I wasn’t sure would take care of him.”

I love Jeff more.

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4 becky_h March 13 2007, 01:48:42 UTC
glances back at the two younger men and reaches for the handle.

One quibble here and it's not huge - but more than just the assurance of not letting someone he's not sure of fuck Jared there's the whole not leaving Jared alone tied up and high on endorphins with someone he's not sure of. That's pretty implicit but there's a lot of transfer of safety happening here and Jeff's putting a whole lot of trust in Jensen. If you're going to spell it out in the dialog I'd probably spell the whole thing out so the focus isn't all on the sex.

Jared whimpers again, eager and needy. Jensen thwaps his ass because, dude. Workin’ on it, okay?

This made me giggle a little too. I like that it's essentially bondage and a smack to this point. Jensen's new to this! I like that he's trying but not jumping right to something that could hurt Jared. It's good!

Jensen does it for him; it just feels right.

This is the part where I like the instinctive. He's doing things because they feel right and they are right. What's more it's a nice sign that Jensen's keyed into Jared.

“What?” Jared says, and Jensen can already see him pulling himself back together, trying to retake control of himself and his responsibilities. He couldn’t say why, but it feels too soon, like painting over rust or something.

“Are you calling safe-word to getting on the couch?” Jensen asks, slow and careful. He watches Jared surrender again, relax and just let himself be taken care of.

Really like this bit a lot. I like the emotional connect as much as I like what's happening. It's a beautiful slow transition and I like that it happened *after* sex instead of before or during. It takes a layer of potential desperation away - what's motivating them isn't the urge to get off, it's not a game. It's just them.

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5 becky_h March 13 2007, 01:51:53 UTC
“You can call your word if you don’t want to answer something, but you can never lie to me here. I can’t--I can’t do this if there’s any chance you’ll lie.” It’s not until those words are out of his mouth that Jensen realizes he’s willing to do this again, to pay the cost to give Jared this release.

I like the lying part. The paying a price for Jensen- so-so. It doesn't feel manipualtive and pushy and there is sacrifice on both sides of any D/s or S/m relationship but it leaves me thinking maybe Jensen's not getting it so well after all. Looking back at my earlier comments and the story - Jensen got what Jared needed and got why Jared was sexy, but he never got why it was something *JEFF* might need or get from it. Or rather there is but it's not a personal for Jensen.

“And then there’s this voice, like Johnny Cash on a bad day, askin’ ‘Kid? You trying to safe-word, or do you just like it when your master’s pissed off?’"

...I love this story. I think every sub I've ever talked to has one. There's even a lot of doms who will deliberately be obnoxious just to maek sure their sub WILL safe word - not dangerous, just annoying. Because they need to know for their safety the sub will safe word out and not be stubborn and stupid and end up hurt.

“Could you call Jeff for me?” And that’s totally not jealousy that stabs into Jensen's chest. “You know, since he’s probably still waiting outside in his car.”

Say it with me: I LOVE JEFF.

he collar’s off. It’s more than a game, it’s more than a favor to a friend. Jared knows that; he has to.

I like this.

Over all the story's really amazingly good and well done. I'd like to see more of Jensen understanding the appeal, getting it and why it' good for him. I wouldn't expect him to really in a first time encounter though so it works. If you were doing something in an established relationship or wrote a follow up to this though, it'd be good if this wasn't something he was doing FOR Jared but something he was doing with him. It's harder to get what the Dom gets out of these things but honestly it's about the same as the sub. Part of it's care-taking but part of it's an endorphine release and sexual appeal and just plain satisfaction and needing to be moved outside of *themselves*. It just manifests a little differently.

And I'm babbling. A lot Thanks for linking me to this. it was a great read, and a really damn good job handling a lot of complexities and things that could have been potentially awkward.

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Re: 5 becky_h March 13 2007, 01:55:45 UTC
...and coming back to say it's fandom_me and I am an idiot who forgot to change my login.

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Re: login ladyjanelly March 13 2007, 02:57:20 UTC
I figured, from the e-mail name. :)

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Re: 5 ladyjanelly March 13 2007, 02:54:06 UTC
it leaves me thinking maybe Jensen's not getting it so well after all.

I don't think that the dom-rush would be enough for Jensen if that was all that he could have of Jared outside of their friendship. Not that doing this costs him, but doing /only/ this would. If that makes sense? Also, even if they continued being only dom/sub, I think he might discover his enjoyment of it, but for now he's not quite in that head-space. For him, at that moment, it was mostly about Jared getting what he needs and the fear that he'd be just a tool to achieve that, a replacement-Jeff with the right-tuned libedo.

I think every sub I've ever talked to has one.

Heh. That's a little bit my friend Chris' story. I wanted something for Jeff to be all butch!hero about, but not a trauma-rape-horror thing.

I'd like to see more of Jensen understanding the appeal

I think if I ever do write a sequel, it'll be about Jensen learning that he enjoys topping, and that it's okay and doesnt make him a bad person.

I'm so glad you enjoyed it. I felt so dorky to stumble on your journal like that and spring a "REad my fic!" on a complete stranger. It was wonderful talking to you. Our views on things seem pretty similar. Dunno if I'll write more of this, but if I do, I'll beg you to be a beta for it, definitely.

Thanks!
-J.

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Re: 5 becky_h March 13 2007, 03:11:05 UTC
I'm so glad you did ask me to read it - it was a wonderful fic and a wonderful conversation.

Also, having just gone back to re-read for pure enjoyment (because I'm waiting for morning to start your other stuff ) I've realized something else about this fic that hits home in a really good way.

A lot of the appeal for BDSM, fic and real world, for me is that it pushes limits. Doesn't obliterate them but pushes. ALL three of the characters here are being pushed. Jeff is letting go of Jared, who he's taken care of for years. Jared is letting JEnsen in and taking a big risk and exposing a lot of himself and needs and emotion- and there's the physical push with the plug. Jensen's being pushed to understand this.

- I agree, by the way, about it needing to be give and take. Jensen needs to give not just take, and he's new so the give is going to be easier than the take for him. This is all huge for him. it's got to be and I love that.

If you write more, beta-ing or not I'll be reading.

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Re: 5 ladyjanelly March 13 2007, 15:09:04 UTC
I really hadn't thought about all three being pushed as a group, but wow, re-reading it again myself, it really worked like that.

Looking forward to chatting with you again sometime. This has been very educational, and I think my ego may never shrink back to its original size. :)

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Re: 5 editorzon March 16 2007, 01:07:12 UTC
I just loved this on so many levels. After reading this I was thinking that I would love a sequel about Jensen finding his own place in this beyond it being the gateway for him and Jared being together. I would hope he would come to enjoy topping and there's no way that wouldn't be an incredibly hot thing to read. Jared has had years as well as Jeff to help him figure out what he likes, what are his limits. Jensen is somewhat flying blind although I think you dropped some nice subtle hints that topping may come to him somewhat naturally. Even if you don't write a sequel do you think Jensen would ever seek Jeff out for advice or instruction?

It utterly fascinates me because Jared is an experienced bottom, very used to Jeff who obviously knows not only what he's doing but also has had the years to know Jared completely. If I was in Jensen's place I might have some "performance anxiety". When I'm being submissive I expect the other person to know what they are doing and the idea of someone who isn't comfortable wielding power shuts me down cold. You don't have to be elaborate in what you do but I have to feel you have complete confidence in your ability to own me or I will challenge the shit out of you. *hopes that wasn't too TMI* I would absolutely love to see how this continues to play out for all three of them.

Another thing I adored is that all three men seemed true to life or at least as well as we know them to be. For all that bondage fic can be wicked hot and I enjoy the hell out of it, I often feel as if I'm reading something that's more like an original story with characters that just happen to physically resemble people I'm already familiar with. It can be a remarkable thing to place them in a situation like this and be true not only to the subject matter but also how we perceive them as people. *applauds you*

Finally bravo on writing what has to be the first fic I've ever read to feature a non sexual BDSM relationship. I know that such a thing is possible but I don't think I've ever had the pleasure of reading one before.

In summary? This rocked my socks off!

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Re: 5 ladyjanelly March 16 2007, 02:29:30 UTC
Oh, I'm sure Jensen would look to Jeff for advice. He's for-sure not going to jump into it the next day. He'll want to research and test things out on his own skin so he knows what he's putting Jared through.

He's got a good instinct for what makes Jared feel safe (like freeing Jared's ankles even though he could have done it himself), but yeah, "Performance anxiety" describes it perfectly. I think Jeff'll have to be the go-between on their first play-date, at the least, just to let Jared know Jensen is willing so he'll go to him.

hopes that wasn't too TMI
Nah, I'm pretty comfortable talking about this sort of stuff with people. It's all good.

I think they went past some of the control issues already, in a tiny way. When Jensen asked if Jared was safe-wording to getting on the couch, I feel was when he really took the power, not when he had his dick in Jared's ass.

I am as happy to hear the characterization worked for you as I am to hear that it was sexy. To do something with these personalities that we'd never seen a shadow of on interviews or anything was definitely a challenge.

re: non-sexual BDSM Thanks. I used to have a relationship like that with my room-mate. He needed, I gave, and yeah, there was a rush, but I had no sexual feelings for him at all. It was easy for me to empathise with the character, but difficult to express that in a way that would please fanfic-readers. I'm thrilled everytime I hear that scene worked.

So glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the huge-ass comment.

Out of curiosity, how'd you stumble across this?

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Re: 5 editorzon March 16 2007, 04:04:55 UTC
I'm a little in love with your brain at the moment. ;-) If you never write a follow up to this story then what you wrote back to me will more than satisfy my cravings. I like the idea of the transition from Jeff to Jensen and Jeff being the go-between for their first play-date. It adds a lot to the realism for me as well as the thought of Jensen educating himself, testing himself so he'll have a better understanding of what it's like on Jared's end. I wonder if he'd even go so far as to ask Jeff run him through a scene to get the "full experience" so speak.

I completely agree about the safewording/couch scene. That was the moment that I thought okay this could be a real possibility between them. Of course I have to admit that I have a huge kink for Jensen being dominant. *cheeky grin*

I thought the story was a beautiful use of Jeff and a great way to have someone that we are familiar with whereas an OMC might have put people off of the story or even made them hesitate in reading it altogether. I've come across very strong reactions to OCs in the various fandoms I've been in and let's face it, it's not too hard to imagine Jeff in this role. The man practically oozes power and authority. The combination of your skill as a writer and your ability to empathize with their situation made for a truly outstanding fic.

And to make this another huge ass comment, I came via the SPN newsletter although I am already a fan of your writing and have been following the Re-cast universe, which I also adore. For the life of me I cannot remember if I've left you any feedback for that yet so if not, um hi? And I love it! Also I friended you if that's okay. Thank you for the wonderful conversation. I'm really enjoying it.

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Re: 5 ladyjanelly March 16 2007, 04:18:13 UTC
I don't see this Jensen letting go enough to let Jeff top him for an experiment, but I think Jensen will use everything on himself before he uses it on Jared, with the exception maybe of the larger toys (since Jared's had more um, practice).

I was really happy how Jeff worked in this. When I was sketching it out in my head, he was just sort of furniture, like a piece of scenery that leads them to each other. And then when he said "Huh. I'll get back to you on that" he completely changed and became a part of the story and that was really cool. I admit I have a really hard time writing a scene of any sort with more than 2 characters in it, so I thought this was gonna kill me, but it went surprisingly smooth.

Heh. I think this is the first I've heard from you (thought I could be wrong). It's all good though. I've really enjoyed this discussion, and you've been a great sounding-board for getting things straight in my head about where it could possibly go.

Friending is cool. I think I already friended you. A lot of time I'll post something here, and it'll be about a week or so before I pimp it out to the groups, so you'll usually see things earlier.

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Re: 4 ladyjanelly March 13 2007, 02:37:58 UTC
there's the whole not leaving Jared alone tied up and high on endorphins with someone he's not sure of.

I think Jeff's positive Jensen will keep Jared safe. Worst-case scenario in his head, Jensen rushes to get him free and 'fix this' and doesn't bring Jared down slow. Super-worst case scenario, Jensen sits there in shock until Jared pulls himself together, tips the chair up so the straps fall off the chair-legs, walks over to the phone and calls Jeff, who is still outside.

I can see the point of Jeff putting a little less emphasis on the sex though, you're right about that.

Jensen's new to this! I like that he's trying but not jumping right to something that could hurt Jared. It's good!

Heh. And there's still a tiny bit of their bantering give-and-take, even with Jared tied up over the chair. I wanted to keep them them.

I like the emotional connect as much as I like what's happening

that's the thing for me and porn. The head-space and heart-space are more interesting than what the bodies are doing. I've read hand-jobs that were sexier than toys and full-anal and fisting and rimming and whatnot. I think this was the scene in my head when I first got the urge to write this.

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Re: 4 becky_h March 13 2007, 02:46:54 UTC
he head-space and heart-space are more interesting than what the bodies are doing. I've read hand-jobs that were sexier than toys and full-anal and fisting and rimming and whatnot. I think this was the scene in my head when I first got the urge to write this.

Oh my god yes. It is so easy for porn to turn into a string of 'actions' without impact and I hate it. I like my sex and porn to be about characters I can relate to. If I don't know what's happening with them I can't relate, and if I can't relate it's not hot.

You obviously avoided that and *then* some and YES I love the bantering give and take even with jared tied up over a chair. Their personalities shone through and *kept* shinning. It was fantastic.

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Re: 3 ladyjanelly March 13 2007, 02:28:33 UTC
I like that there's a BDSM relationship here without sex. A lot.

I am really happy how that came out, and completely clueless how to list it in the "pairings" line because some people won't read fics with Jeff's penis and some people are squicked by Jeff/Jared in any capacity and some people love the idea of Jeff/Jared.

Back before I moved to Texas (like 6 yrs ago) I had a non-sexual BDSM relationship with a friend of mine, and yeah, I got a rush out of it, but wouldn't have had sex with him in a million years. I think a lot of people have no idea such a thing's possible.

I giggled. I giggled a lot, in a good way. It's a nice little detail.

Heh. I wanted some little "Ew. Crap. That's annoying" thing for Jeff to fix.

I'm going to say here that Jeff explaining to Jared could probably be - not cut out but softened. You're doing such a good job showing what this is giving Jared that you don't have to try so hard to tell, too. I really liked it up until the explanation for the cuffs but in combination with that awesome little moment and earlier explanation it feels like a little bit much.

It felt a little weird to write it, so you're probably right. I'll go back and see if I can edit that without leaving a hole in the flow.

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Re: 3 becky_h March 13 2007, 02:37:09 UTC
I don't think people are aware either, and it's sad. It's almost enough to make me want to do a G-rated D/s scene just to watch people boggle. I'm occasionally mean that way.

You really did handle it well and the pairings thing gets sticky and hard. So do warnings, sometimes. The fun of headers.

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