So I actually have a question for you about the scene from Warrior...
Do you think that Oliver decided to seduce Chloe right there in that moment...or do you think it was planned? Because I always got the feeling that it was just something that happened. That she showed up that night with her guard down and there was a spark between them and they went for it. I didn't think it was a planned seduction. Did I read that right?
And it's funny because again...I admit....I have never really found Chloe to be sexy. Again, I think Allison Mack is a beautiful girl. But I never really felt her sex appeal as a character. But then again...it might come back to the fact that I was watching the show from Clark's POV and I don't think Clark saw her that way. So it's almost like I had to retrain myself in that scene in "Warrior" to see her the way that Ollie was looking at her. Like...here's this really cute girl that I'm friends with and...are we going to do this? And I do think it's kind of sexy that in that moment they basically made the decision that they were going to go through with it.
I agree with you that this was the best directed scene in the episode. At the time, it made me angry because I felt like Allison didn't understand the other characters and therefore several other scenes suffered. At the time, to me, it felt like she was indulging in her own character but completely off on everything else. And I still sort of feel that way about her direction in that episode. But she knows her own character and that scene worked very well.
It's funny because I think the whole scene in "Warrior" was almost inevitable in the sense that....something had to give for both of them. They were both hurt. They were both lonely. They both needed some release. And I do think there was a sense that night of, "Hmm...I find you attractive....maybe we should go with this."
Ironically, if Clois wasn't going to be Clois (and if Clark could get drunk)---this is actually how I could have seen those two hooking up back in Season 5-7. By accident one night. Because they are Clois it made sense to hold off on that and have them actually fall in love first. But in reality, I don't think it would have been out of the realm of possibility for Lois and Clark to hook up exactly the same way Chloe and Ollie did back in the earlier seasons.
The scene between Clark and Lois in "Bride" is one of the most intense moments, for me, in the entire series. It didn't need words. There was an entire conversation passing between them in that scene. Clark literally grabbing her hand was one of the first shows of aggression that would become a staple in their relationship and one of the first signs that Clark was a different man in every respect with Lois. This was the precursor to him literally grabbing her for their first kiss and grabbing her in "Salvation" and pulling her to him. Clark was a whole new man. I love the give and take of the scene---the way they test each other. There's this recognition of attraction and the conscious decision on both of their parts to go with it. Whatever was between them was burning and it was just a matter of letting go. Obviously, the moment was stalled for a while....but the attraction between them was out in the open now and there was no going back no matter how much either of them tried to deny it afterwards.
I think part of that scene was off-the-cuff, as in, I don't think he came out to Watchtower to hang out with her and shoot arrows with the express intent of seducing Chloe Sullivan and shagging on the couch. But, I do think that the very fact that he was there, that the scene was set up just so, that he was saying all of those things he was saying - like, it feels like an increasingly overt come-on. Like 'I don't know where this is going, I'm lonely, I know she's lonely; we're friends; I'll just go with the flow....' And then progressively, 'Oh - okay, she's responding to me, why don't I push a little further, ask her to come and shoot an arrow with me, why don't I whisper in her ear; and this shouldn't be awkward or weird because we know each other....'. And I think Chloe displays a tacit awareness of this, there's a lot happening at the obvious level, within the dialogue, and in their actions, but there's also a lot passing between them underneath that.
By the time she shoots that arrow, she knows they aren't just talking about arrows - and he knows it too.
Yup, I agree. Bride is a fantastic touchstone moment that when I look back is so symbolic of where Clark is right then. There's something inside of him that calls for Lois, he knows it, and he's drawn to it and to her almost in spite of himself. But he's also scared, and hesitant because it's terrifying and wonderful and totally different from anything he knows. The pull is strong, and it makes him brave because even if he doesn't have words to describe it, there's something, and he wants to touch it and feel it, and reach out for it when he might normally hang back.
So when Lana interrupts the moment with her return, it makes sense to me that he goes back to what is familiar, what is safe and what he knows because with Lois - there's none of that security. So I love that moment. I love thinking of him from Odyssey - Instinct - Bride - Stiletto - Doomsday and then all of season 9. His falling in love with Lois was so well-drawn for this show - the show that built itself around a ship where he fell in love with a girl he saw through a window at age 6. With Lois we saw every single step, we witnessed exactly why and what it is that draws him to her. Whatever mistakes they made, I'll always love the show for that.
Do you think that Oliver decided to seduce Chloe right there in that moment...or do you think it was planned? Because I always got the feeling that it was just something that happened. That she showed up that night with her guard down and there was a spark between them and they went for it. I didn't think it was a planned seduction. Did I read that right?
And it's funny because again...I admit....I have never really found Chloe to be sexy. Again, I think Allison Mack is a beautiful girl. But I never really felt her sex appeal as a character. But then again...it might come back to the fact that I was watching the show from Clark's POV and I don't think Clark saw her that way. So it's almost like I had to retrain myself in that scene in "Warrior" to see her the way that Ollie was looking at her. Like...here's this really cute girl that I'm friends with and...are we going to do this? And I do think it's kind of sexy that in that moment they basically made the decision that they were going to go through with it.
I agree with you that this was the best directed scene in the episode. At the time, it made me angry because I felt like Allison didn't understand the other characters and therefore several other scenes suffered. At the time, to me, it felt like she was indulging in her own character but completely off on everything else. And I still sort of feel that way about her direction in that episode. But she knows her own character and that scene worked very well.
It's funny because I think the whole scene in "Warrior" was almost inevitable in the sense that....something had to give for both of them. They were both hurt. They were both lonely. They both needed some release. And I do think there was a sense that night of, "Hmm...I find you attractive....maybe we should go with this."
Ironically, if Clois wasn't going to be Clois (and if Clark could get drunk)---this is actually how I could have seen those two hooking up back in Season 5-7. By accident one night. Because they are Clois it made sense to hold off on that and have them actually fall in love first. But in reality, I don't think it would have been out of the realm of possibility for Lois and Clark to hook up exactly the same way Chloe and Ollie did back in the earlier seasons.
The scene between Clark and Lois in "Bride" is one of the most intense moments, for me, in the entire series. It didn't need words. There was an entire conversation passing between them in that scene. Clark literally grabbing her hand was one of the first shows of aggression that would become a staple in their relationship and one of the first signs that Clark was a different man in every respect with Lois. This was the precursor to him literally grabbing her for their first kiss and grabbing her in "Salvation" and pulling her to him. Clark was a whole new man. I love the give and take of the scene---the way they test each other. There's this recognition of attraction and the conscious decision on both of their parts to go with it. Whatever was between them was burning and it was just a matter of letting go. Obviously, the moment was stalled for a while....but the attraction between them was out in the open now and there was no going back no matter how much either of them tried to deny it afterwards.
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By the time she shoots that arrow, she knows they aren't just talking about arrows - and he knows it too.
Yup, I agree. Bride is a fantastic touchstone moment that when I look back is so symbolic of where Clark is right then. There's something inside of him that calls for Lois, he knows it, and he's drawn to it and to her almost in spite of himself. But he's also scared, and hesitant because it's terrifying and wonderful and totally different from anything he knows. The pull is strong, and it makes him brave because even if he doesn't have words to describe it, there's something, and he wants to touch it and feel it, and reach out for it when he might normally hang back.
So when Lana interrupts the moment with her return, it makes sense to me that he goes back to what is familiar, what is safe and what he knows because with Lois - there's none of that security. So I love that moment. I love thinking of him from Odyssey - Instinct - Bride - Stiletto - Doomsday and then all of season 9. His falling in love with Lois was so well-drawn for this show - the show that built itself around a ship where he fell in love with a girl he saw through a window at age 6. With Lois we saw every single step, we witnessed exactly why and what it is that draws him to her. Whatever mistakes they made, I'll always love the show for that.
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