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[ladyelaine]

In truth, a man who renders everyone their due because he fears the gallows, acts under the sway and compulsion of others, and cannot be called just. But a man who does the same from a knowledge of the true reason for laws and their necessity, acts from a firm purpose and of his own accord, and is therefore properly called just.
--Spinoza, A Theologico-Political Treatise

This is also my main objection to the heaven/hell morality model. Wheee!