Debunking Bush and Taliban as fascists

Sep 07, 2006 15:32

So last week or the week before or something, Bush called Islamic extremists 'fascists." Then the lefty blog world retorted that actually Bush is a fascist ( Read more... )

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coquette_not September 8 2006, 03:11:20 UTC
hmm. There's always a Daily Kos diary. But maybe not. They are pretty attached to the Bush=fascist thing.

I went to a Lamont rally the other day and there was someone standing there with a sign that said Capitalism is the Problem. Lamont is not the Solution.

True, perhaps, but I'm too practical these days for such pure ideals. Slightly less crappy is what I'm hoping for in this election cycle.

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lady_frolick September 8 2006, 04:20:24 UTC
No, right, I meant unfettered capitalism. We're stuck with capitalism, which is fine by me, but currently it's running amok. The reason I think getting fascism off the liberal protest table is important is that not only is it distracting and stupid but it also doesn't play in Kansas. In contrast, the idea that corporations have far too much sway with the current administration has legs among your average folk, including republicans, which is why Cheney has always had such low approval ratings across the board. I would have to check this with a constitutional lawyer, but I don't even think it's currently illegal for corporations to write public policy. They do it on the sly due to PR, but I don't think they have to worry about legal reprisals. I'd like some protective legislation passed as well as potential democratic candidates scrutinized for ties to big business.

While I'm making a wish list, I'd also like a firmer separation of church and state but that's a separate issue!

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coquette_not September 8 2006, 04:32:42 UTC
You're definitely right, of course. It's so Orwellian--fascism just means something vaguely bad--and neither side really cares to articulate why, or why not the model doesn't fit. The whole Nazi label is getting a bit old, so now everyone is a fascist.

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lady_frolick September 8 2006, 15:47:15 UTC
That's interesting that you bring up Orwell, because Newspeak is the last point in Emberto Eco's "Eternal Fascism: 14 Ways to Look at a Black Shirt":

14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak.

Newspeak was invented by Orwell, in Nineteen Eighty-Four, as the official language of what he called Ingsoc, English Socialism. But elements of Ur-Fascism are common to different forms of dictatorship. All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning. But we must be ready to identify other kinds of Newspeak, even if they take the apparently innocent form of a popular talk show.

Or, may I add, a lefty blog.

But I would leave that out of my article because then it would just be me calling people who misuse the word 'fascist' fascist.

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coquette_not September 8 2006, 17:44:15 UTC
And that would be so, like, fascist of you. :)

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