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[02:13:59] assmilk mctuesday: "Don't tolerate intolerance... (except intolerance of intolerance... and intolerance of intolerance of intolerance... and...)"
[02:16:01] ronnie: nice ;p
[02:19:03] ronnie: i should certainly buy some of those shirts when i get back
[02:19:07] assmilk mctuesday: mhm
[02:19:08] ronnie: bec some are nice ;p
[02:19:20] ronnie: of course, once i buy one, you have to destroy original;
[02:19:26] ronnie: bec i cant stand the idea of someone else having the same t
[02:19:43] assmilk mctuesday: but see theres an instance where math is very elegant and helpful
[02:19:52] assmilk mctuesday: the notion of a "transitive closure"
[02:19:57] assmilk mctuesday: captures the above
[02:20:08] ronnie: you can add a little notation in this re: in the back ;p
[02:20:18] assmilk mctuesday: yes
... later ...
[02:52:59] assmilk mctuesday: actually now i'm thinking the transitive closure is incorrect
[02:53:17] ronnie: lol
[02:53:17] assmilk mctuesday: "Don't tolerate intolerance" only gives rise to one form of intolerance you'd want to except -- namely , intolerance of intolerance
[02:53:39] ronnie: does this mean our t-shirt empire will fall?
[02:53:39] assmilk mctuesday: you wouldnt want to then OK the intolerance of (intolerance of intolerance)
[02:54:13] ronnie: right
[02:59:41] assmilk mctuesday: hrm but it is more complex than that
[02:59:56] assmilk mctuesday: so lets say person P1 is intolerant of , say, gays
[02:59:59] assmilk mctuesday: we dont want to tolerate that so
[03:00:08] assmilk mctuesday: P2 being intolerant of P1's intolerance is OK
[03:00:17] assmilk mctuesday: this is fine, since we've excepted intolerance of intolerance
[03:00:19] assmilk mctuesday: however...
[03:00:28] assmilk mctuesday: if P3 then is intolerant of P2's intolerance, this is not OK
[03:00:47] assmilk mctuesday: despite it being an instance of intolerance of intolerance
[03:01:29] assmilk mctuesday: so we really need to say "except intolerance of intolerance of something-other-than-intolerance"
[03:01:55] ronnie: right.
[03:02:03] ronnie: which then is not so nice on a t
[03:02:04] ronnie: ;p
[03:19:21] assmilk mctuesday: hrm
[03:19:30] assmilk mctuesday: but suppose P4 is intolerant of P3's intolerance
[03:19:37] assmilk mctuesday: we'd say P4 is ok then
[03:20:23] assmilk mctuesday: so i think we have to argue: any chain of intolerance is going to be finite and must bottom out at something that is other than intolerance... those that are an odd distance away are OK, those that are an even distance away are not
[03:20:28] assmilk mctuesday: err
[03:20:34] assmilk mctuesday: odd distance not OK
[03:20:36] assmilk mctuesday: even distance OK
[03:21:26] ronnie: you should email me this entire conversation ;p so i can post it to show your insanity ;p
[03:21:36] ronnie: seriously
[03:21:43] assmilk mctuesday: i think this is correct though
[03:22:02] assmilk mctuesday: starting with something other than intolerance, if we form a chain of intolerance from that point , we form a partition
[03:22:07] assmilk mctuesday: of acceptable/unacceptable forms
[03:22:14] assmilk mctuesday: according as the distance from that point is even or odd
[03:22:44] ronnie: right. for the most part, im with you. by most part, meaning, im not really thinking about the odd/even part but i see, in the periphery of my mind, what you mean
[03:22:51] assmilk mctuesday: e.g. intolerance of gays = bad , intolerance of intolerance of gays = good, intolerance of intolerance of intolerance of gays = bad
[03:22:57] ronnie: right
[03:23:17] ronnie: now email? :p
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(06:48:06) assmilk mctuesday: i'm thinking you should add an addendum to that post: i realized not all chains may bottom out in something other than intolerance. say P1 is intolerant of P2's intolerance of P1's intolerance of P2's intolerance of ...
(06:48:11) assmilk mctuesday: circular
(06:48:13) assmilk mctuesday: perverse
(06:48:17) assmilk mctuesday: but it can happen
(06:48:18) ronnie: nice ;p
(06:48:20) ronnie: ill add it ;)
(06:48:32) assmilk mctuesday: so my tshirt is only for noncircular chains ;)
(06:48:46) ronnie: well, just have a footnote in that regard ;p
(06:48:51) ronnie: which would be funny as well
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(06:55:39) assmilk: ok so the final tshirt is
(06:56:02) assmilk: "Don't tolerate intolerance (except intolerance occurring at any even number of steps away from the bottom element in a descending linear chain of intolerance)"
(06:56:39) ronnie: right, you do understand that it has less mass appeal ;p
(06:56:46) ronnie: as your jewish friend,i need to point this out to you ;p
(06:56:47) assmilk: right
(06:56:55) assmilk: not meant for masses
(06:57:01) ronnie: of course not, what was i thinking ;p