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Jun 18, 2006 13:55

So I was thinking about Bechdel's law earlier. In a comic strip by Alison Bechdel, a character explains that she only watches a movie if it ( Read more... )

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Re: Joss Whedon and Bechdel's law skadi June 18 2006, 18:12:47 UTC

Um ... well...

I ... I can't hear you! LA LA LA!

...but I don't want Joss to be one of the stupid guys. I love his usual respect for feminism. Crud.

Re: Joss Whedon and Bechdel's law labellementeuse June 18 2006, 19:07:00 UTC

Believe you me, I adore Joss' stuff and think he is wonderful, and I'm really excited about Wonder Woman. He scripted X-men and X2 as well, IIRC, and they have some good girl moments. And I really respect his conscious devotion to the cause of feminism ( ... )

Re: Joss Whedon and Bechdel's law skadi June 18 2006, 21:40:57 UTC

Man, you are very, very right. I haven't watched Buffy for a bit, so I haven't seen all that evidence for quite a bit of time. But you're right.

Phooey.

Re: Joss Whedon and Bechdel's law labellementeuse June 19 2006, 02:09:17 UTC

I know, it's so depressing. I try not to think about it too hard. But he really does have the best motives in the world...

Re: Joss Whedon and Bechdel's law darthsappho June 24 2006, 11:58:05 UTC

I just rewatched "Who Are You?" and in that, Faith's sex with Riley seems to be the pivotal point where she starts turning away from evil. So sex is not always a bad thing in Buffy. I really think it's more that people in Joss shows get punished for anything and everything.

Re: Joss Whedon and Bechdel's law labellementeuse June 24 2006, 19:48:06 UTC

*considers* Well, it's been a while since I watched "Who Are You?", so I'll have to take your word for it. And, yeah, a couple of people have said that it's more that Joss can't leave well enough alone, everyone has to be miserable, which is, well, true; but I also think there is a distinct correlation between sex and female sexuality, and a kind of moral ambiguity or evil. Allow me to reproduce something I said to someone else this evening:

(weyrlady was quibbling with my examples, which were not best thought out and specifically said that when Buffy & Angel have sex Angel is the one who's punished, and I responded ( ... )

Re: Joss Whedon and Bechdel's law sixth_light June 18 2006, 21:29:39 UTC

Like labellementeuse says: he definitely thinks he's feminist. But there are huge unconscious issues with most of his work. And they're really freakin' scary ones. Of course, it kind of gets mixed up with his inability to portray ongoing happy adult relationships, but the women usually get the bad end of the deal even when it's that coming through.

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