Question about our dear flibbertigibbet advisor...

Apr 03, 2010 19:32

Allright I have a question. Who is older, Gwendal or Gunther? I know neither of their exact ages are ever stated, but I always assumed Gwendal was older (because he looks older, which is kind of silly of me, considering the Mazoku's non-linear aging and all...). However, I've now come across several fanfics and fanarts where Gunther is the older ( Read more... )

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glitteringloke April 4 2010, 00:18:15 UTC
ah hell i'm late to this...

Gunter is almost 150 in novel 2 i believe it is. page 15 or something, i forget exactly. i *think* gwen's about 120-130ish, but i haven't done his profile yet. But considering Cacilie isn't much older than Gunter, Gwen's def not older than GunGun.

Gunter's the rep for the von Christ family, as he's one of the 10 nobles. But it's likely he has people taking care of things. I've no doubt his mom's handling everything. She's rather impressive on things she can do. It was her idea to adopt Gisela (her family wasn't doing so well) and had to pull massive strings to pull it off.

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lin April 4 2010, 12:36:31 UTC
Cecilie should be older than 150 though - Wolfram has been confirmed to be 82, so if she was around 150 she'd have been around 70 when she had him which means she was just a teenager according to Mazoku standards, and would have been a preschooler when Gwendal was born ^_^;; I think I saw it mentioned somewhere that she's actually closer to 250, which makes more sense. With Wolfram at 82, Conrad would be about 100, and Gwendal somewhere between 120-150. I'm pretty sure she was a little on the young side when Gwendal was born, but she's definitely over 150... then again the author may have had the same problems figuring out their ages we had XD

The thing about Gunther's mother is really interesting! I had no idea she was ever even mentioned at all (apart from a throwaway sentence in novel 1 where Gunther mentions he's descended from the lake people...)

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glitteringloke April 4 2010, 14:53:32 UTC
according to the super intensive novel profiles, it only says she appears in her thirties, which is between 150 and 200. kinda a large range...
"外見は三十そこそこ。(今日マ94)(今度マ190)(三十路前、とも)(今夜マ40)"

and gisela's dad had died and gisela's mom wasn't doing well, so in order to get her a higher education, she did lots of stuff to get her adopted by Gunter. I think she's about wolf's age (a little older though), so he wasn't very old when he had to take her on, i'm sure. it's in the あしたマ novel on pg 30 :)

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meomnimi April 5 2010, 12:06:43 UTC
I just went back and re-read that part- apparently she decided on her 16th b'day to be adopted...?

It's close to where Conrad talks about the importance of being 16, and after his mention of his own aging and deciding to live as Mazoku at 16. (sorry I can't give a page ref >_<)

I just noticed something, chapter 2, a bit after Anissina took the knitted elephant out, narration says "if something has been happening repeadly for nearly 150 years, one would eventually understand"- This implies that Gwendal is near 150 in age too.

I wonder if Takabayashi ever thought about these things...

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glitteringloke April 5 2010, 14:54:53 UTC
sometimes i don't think they think about it as hard as fans do, hence a lot of plot holes and inconsistencies.

tho as soon as i figure out the email address for the person that runs that awesome bio site, i'm going to ask if i can translate their work into english. i've found it immeasurably helpful, and hopefully i'll get permission, so that it can help out everyone else too :)

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meomnimi April 5 2010, 14:56:49 UTC
m-might I have the address to said site?

I hope you get permission too! (I'm hopeless at translation)

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glitteringloke April 5 2010, 14:59:57 UTC
http://hensan.sakura.ne.jp/datastation/ the maruma is on the right.

i'm bad at it (elementary japanese ftw!) but i have several people that help me and clean up behind me :) I just can't find the contact address on this page for the life of me D: i've got most of Gunter's done, and a chunk of conrad's with a few bits and pieces of anissina's (she performed appendectomies and sex change operations, apparently XD).

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meomnimi April 5 2010, 15:04:55 UTC
thank you for the site!

And I think I found the mail addie. Here it is hensan @ hensan.sakura.ne.jp
highlight to see white-outed text and get rid of space

I... studied it for a couple of years. Tis just that I stick to Japanese too literally that whatever I translate turns out to be a mess >_>

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glitteringloke April 5 2010, 15:08:43 UTC
no problem :D Thanks for the address (ugh, now to dig thru my brain and try to not sound retarded)

i had a few years in college and am doing classes on saturdays at a japanese school about an hour away. it's starting to get really hard now D: but one day i'll read these books on my own! (you could help if i get permission :D i'll have my ppls make it flow better :D)

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meomnimi April 5 2010, 15:12:53 UTC
I'd love to offer any help!

the site is really extensive! *_*

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glitteringloke April 5 2010, 15:15:44 UTC
i know! it's amaaazing! i got it off this com a long time ago, but i forget who posted it in the comments.

:D whichever section you want to do, feel free to do so XD i'll work on the email in the next day or so (i'm actually on vacation until tomorrow) and hopefully will hear back soon. (i should check the stats of my site to be sure i can host it...)

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lin April 5 2010, 15:15:45 UTC
*butts into conversation* just saying, if you get permission to translate, I would be super interested ^__^

*butts out of conversation*

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glitteringloke April 5 2010, 15:17:01 UTC
:D i'm feeling the motivation now!

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lin April 5 2010, 15:22:15 UTC
:D I couldn't read Japanese if my life depended on it (I tried signing up for some classes when I was in university but it didn't work out because my own uni didn't offer them and I wouldn't have gotten the necessary credit if I took them at another one, boo) but I am a sucker for any kind of detailed info, so anyone willing to transform those profiles into something I can read earns my undying love ;)

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glitteringloke April 5 2010, 15:42:38 UTC
:) i've been wanting to do this for a long time now (prob verging on more than a year) and it's about time i get my butt in gear XD i just emailed off a poorly written email to be edited by my actual japanese speaking people, so hopefully i can ask soon :D *excited*

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