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I thought I'd try opening this up more, and not just go back and forth with just_xbreathe. I don't want her to be the only one supporting McCain either. I know my LJ is a hot bed for politics and all
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Without arguing with you too much (Edit: OK maybe I lied above), I am a Republican in the classic sense. The neo-cons that lately run the show and are labeled as Republicans are not me so please don't assume I am a gun-toting, gay-bashing, bible hugging freak. That's a huge generalization just as you're not a tree-hugging, country hating, elitist hippy. Most folks are moderate and have a few issues they believe in and *should* vote with what's inline with those not b/c one candidate seems nicer than the other or gives them or warm fuzzy. Those are irrelevant to the issues.
For example, I believe in less government and being fiscally conservative (i.e. spending less on *what I believe* are wasteful and inefficient programs). These are the complete opposite viewpoint of the Democrats in that they believe the Government should help folks out more and put more $$$ into social programs. No I am not trying to label them as negative since plenty of folks can argue with me that they work...I disagree. I generally believe I can take care of myself and want the government to just protect me and provide necessities and leave me alone for the most part. Again, lately "Republicans" are not necessarily doing the things I highlighted above and in some cases, they are doing the opposite of what I feel are 'our views' and it frustrates me.
Anyway, I am fundamentally against those Democratic things and believe in less government so in short, McCain is *more inline* with my traditional views. He is *not* perfect and I have a lot of qualms with quite a few things he's done as of late like the Palin nomination (and he's changed since 2000...play to win I guess), but *on the issues* I am more inline with him that Obama.
The statement I generally say when folks ask me why is "I think John McCain will do a better job and is more inline with some of my views" seems to be a sufficient answer for most reasonable folks and if an Obama supporter says the same, I respect that as well since it's a valid statement of support. I don't agree with them, but it's valid and we vote our separate ways like we're supposed to.
I do however want to state that it does irk me that everyone paints Obama to be this perfect candidate that can do no wrong. BOTH candidates have slimed the other, pandered to audiences, flip flopped, lied about their opponent and probably done some bad things to get where they are (you can't get that far ahead in life and have your hands clean). I'm sure folks will say "NU UH," but go look at factcheck and you'll see plenty of examples from BOTH. They are politicians, this is what they do. Neither of them are 'good people' in an ethical or moral sense so please stop fooling yourself or being blind to the negatives. I will admit one side seems sleazier than the other (as of late) and it disappoints me, but since I think both candidates are bad people (ie. it's a non-issue for me b/c they're equally bad :P), I vote on the issues and hopefully what I said above is inline with that.
Edit: This was way longer than I intended since I almost never reply to political discussions (which is why I striked out the first sentence), but I guess I trust you in that I think I can have an actual discussion with you instead of you just going "lol you hate gay people, women and love guns" or some other retarded statement or can actually just accept it as a reasonable position.
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I did debate on providing my own list of 'bad' things like you did for McCain, but will assume you also realize Obama has done some stupid things as of late. If not, I *can* do it, but would rather not since it's not very constructive.
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Cause he seems to be making a bad choice after bad choice. You have a legitimate arguement in saying Obama has no experience, but then you pick Palin as a VP. And then the suspending the campaign and the debate tonight really pushed me over the edge. There's no reason that he can't do the debate. He should know how he stands and how to respond to questions by now.
But please, if you do have something on Obama like the house question that I have not seen or heard of I'd love to know about it. And yes there are somethings about Obama I don't like at all. Like voting for the (don't have time to look it up atm) "invasion of privacy bill" right around the time he was assumed the victor over Hillary. Complete 180 for what he was doing before.
And I am no economics genious. I got an A in my class in highschool, and that's the end of my story. So if you agree with his tax plan could you tell me why? Cause I don't get it.
I'd like to be at the place where I wasn't leaning so heavily on one side, mainly because I now no longer see the appeal in McCain that I once had. (which probably was just fueled by my "oh my god if we go from bush to clinton to bush to clinton I will shooooooot myself." toughts.)
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Is that actually the case? You really want to hear the petty flubs and political screw-ups that have little to do with the campaign? 'Cause Obama's got himself a closet full of gaffs along those lines, but I regard those as beside the point. There's only two things that should be considered from the voter's standpoint.
1) What does the candidate say they will do?
2) Do you trust they will do it?
#2 is actually the most important, as it rolls up a) competency b) honesty/earnestness c) intelligence and especally d)capability. It is amazing to me the things people worry about without considering that there's two more government bodies standing squarely in the path of the most radical idiotic assertions by either candidate, preventing followthrough on even the mildest of changes.
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If I new Clinton could make himself, and America, look that stupid would I have voted for him?
I dunno if I can trust someone that can't remember how many houses he owns. That doesn't exactly scream competent. A series of things McCain has done lately fully back up those factors. So yes, if you have something on Obama then equalize it.
Right now we can see some of the choices they make and then have some sort of a hint as to if they would be as stupid as Bush was and throw troops into Iraq under false pretenses.
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If it's the appearance of disparity of wealth you find embarrasing, then you might consider the future president of the US leaving a brother living in abject poverty or turning his back on a school named after him.
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When Bush won his second term, I could not understand it. He led us to war under false pretenses. I dunno if Kerry would have done better, but as it was pretty obvious, Bush continued to do nothing to better anything. His approval rating is now at the high 20's low 30's.
However, when it was Bush vs Gore and Bush won, I was not so disappointed. A little miffed, but I was ok. At that point in time I hadn't seen any hints as to him screwing things up and making bad choices.
I'd rather be feeling like I did during Bush/Gore than Bush/Kerry. Lately it's been Bush/Kerry.
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