Re: from ChinaSmacker
anonymous
November 9 2010, 04:48:16 UTC
You said: "In point of fact, taken as a percentage of the national budget, the USofA spends less per student on public education than any other industrialized nation."
Well, it's clear you are obviously not a math or statistics teacher. The USofA has the highest GDP in the world. It's nearly impossible for the USofA to spend an extremely large percentage of the national budget on education versus a country with a small GDP. Just think about how much that would amount to. Although, if one were going to rank education spending as percentage of GDP, USofA is right next to Japan.
Point of fact, the USofA is in the top 3 in the world using the more important measure of spending per pupil.
I do not have a low opinion of teachers. I simply realize you do not have the impact you assume. When a students tells you, he's not going to do his homework because he doesn't want to. What you going to do? What can you do? You think this child is there to please you. The child is there to seek your approval? He does his homework because it would make his teacher happy? Is that right? Get real! He basis his choices on the approval/fear of his parents not his teacher. Your job as a teacher is to cover what's in the curriculum and in many cases to provide day care.
Please pick the next topic you would like to receive an education. You lack much knowledge due to so many years of liberal brain washing. This shall be quite an endeavor but YOU shall be better off for it.
Re: from ChinaSmackerkvaadkNovember 9 2010, 18:32:54 UTC
Percentage of resources invested is a more accurate measure of commitment than absolute dollars. Someone investing 30% of all they have available is more committed to the outcome than someone chipping in a mere 3%.
Oh, and I did teach math among other things. I was what is called a cross-categorical instructor in an alternative high school. I also taught GED preparation classes at the community college and in a program run by the Housing Authority. In these settings I worked with the population identified as "at-risk" -- victims of poverty, homelessness, and disenfranchisement. The bulk of my teaching career was in elementary exceptional children's education, however. My areas of EC certification were severe emotional handicap and conduct disorder.
I left education nearly two decades ago to work in mental health. I was a high-risk intervention counselor and a community support services coordinator -- sort of the mental health equivalent of an EMT. I'm currently a case manager with a mental health and substance abuse counseling agency. I work in psychosocial rehabilitation, family preservation services, and in general link people with needs to resources that can provide them the tools they need to overcome their circumstances. A teach them to fish rather than give them a fish approach.
What line of work are you in?
As for furthering my education, if you cruise through my LJ I'm sure you'll find other topics on which we disagree.
Re: from ChinaSmacker
anonymous
November 9 2010, 22:10:23 UTC
I see you're already beginning to waver. Very good, a sign of impending change...
You said: "Percentage of resources invested is a more accurate measure of commitment than absolute dollars. Someone investing 30% of all they have available is more committed to the outcome than someone chipping in a mere 3%. Oh, and I did teach math among other things...."
Can't you see that you arrive at the same issue as I previously stated? Country A chipping in 3% to arrive at the same $ value would only mean that country A has more total resources than Country B that requires 30% to equal the same $ value. I would much rather live in Country A than Country B. Country A is "richer".
You don't need to describe your background. It was rather apparent from your initial post. You've never been an entrepreneur nor do you understand how a job is created. You would prefer to make laws affecting others and in areas you have little understanding. You believe in "feel good" laws and regulations that have devastating effects (cure is worse than the disease). And then, you cannot understand why things are not better, and the only possible reason someone like you can fathom as to why things are not better is that not enough money thrown at the problem.
You are a typical confused liberal.
About me, I'm a trader focusing on macro economics and commodities. My job is to die sect which governments are implementing poor social and monetary policy and make my bets on how that will affect their economies. In summary, my job is to predict which countries will thrive and which will falter.
Re: from ChinaSmackerkvaadkNovember 10 2010, 00:29:18 UTC
In order for your statement to be true, values must be equal in every setting. $1,000,000 will buy you an average condo half way up a building in New York City or a very nice house on a half-acre of land in Nashville. Setting aside for a moment that in one case you are paying for a hole in the air and in the other you are acquiring real property, the dollar amount remains the same, but the square footage changes depending on the local economy. What buys dinner for a family of four at an average waterfront restaurant in San Francisco will feed a family of four in Akron well for a week.
You can not say that a dollar has the same buying power in every city and nation in the world. If you are going to compare investments and values you must provide context, and you must factor for differentials, otherwise the numbers are meaningless. If you standardize you measures -- for example calculate the amount invested in terms of how many days' labor at the average wage in the local economy -- you will discover that the US invests far less in education than other nations. In terms of dollars, India spends a fraction what we do on education, but in terms of percentage of the nation's resources, America spends far less. Which of them has the more dynamic economy?
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anonymous
November 10 2010, 03:51:24 UTC
I didn't realize I would have to be so specific for you to understand...
Data is gathered using the local currency and then using a purchasing power parity conversion (the very short explanation is that it is like an exchange rate) to arrive at a USD $ value for comparative purposes (OR ELSE WE COULD NEVER MAKE A COMPARISON.) As such, the USA ranks in the top 5 in the world in primary school per pupil spending.
Makes sense?
It's time to get your education rolling. You've been in the dark for far too long and people like you have caused much damage to the USA.
Your homework:
1.) If black people are so poor and living in blighted urban areas, why don't they move? What's keeping them in an area where they can't find a job? Why do black/certain minorities consistently vote Democratic?
2.) Minimum wage - good or bad? How is a wage rate defined?
3.) Why are health care/higher education costs so high? One can state that it is a necessity but so are food, clothing, and in many parts of the country, a car. But the costs of those goods do not explode.... BTW, in California today, the University of California system stated that they intend to raise tuition rates by 8% but student loans will be increased to cover this amount. What makes it possible?
4.) What is wealth? Can the government create wealth? What is money? What is the purpose of money? What are taxes? What do taxes represent?
5.) Given our every increasing levels of productivity in agriculture, labor, suffice to say, all areas, why would something cost more now than it did 10, 20, or more years ago? What does the price of gold represent?
Do not attempt to answer these question using cliche answer like "discrimination" or "... blame the Right." Think long and think hard. Always look for exceptions and attempt to explain them. In fact, do research. And because you are a liberal, most importantly, USE YOUR BRAIN AND NOT YOUR HEART!
Take at least a week or longer to answer... After you fully answer these question, you'll probably be the first in line to join the Tea Party. You will see how much harm Democrats (and Republicans) have caused this country.
This is the start of your journey to enlightenment. The Matrix reference: Congrats, you have chosen the red pill. Now you will see how deep the rabbit holes goes... After your journey is complete, you will no wonder why this government program doesn't work, why spending so much money on XYZ does work, etc.
You said:
"In point of fact, taken as a percentage of the national budget, the USofA spends less per student on public education than any other industrialized nation."
Well, it's clear you are obviously not a math or statistics teacher. The USofA has the highest GDP in the world. It's nearly impossible for the USofA to spend an extremely large percentage of the national budget on education versus a country with a small GDP. Just think about how much that would amount to. Although, if one were going to rank education spending as percentage of GDP, USofA is right next to Japan.
Point of fact, the USofA is in the top 3 in the world using the more important measure of spending per pupil.
I do not have a low opinion of teachers. I simply realize you do not have the impact you assume. When a students tells you, he's not going to do his homework because he doesn't want to. What you going to do? What can you do? You think this child is there to please you. The child is there to seek your approval? He does his homework because it would make his teacher happy? Is that right? Get real! He basis his choices on the approval/fear of his parents not his teacher. Your job as a teacher is to cover what's in the curriculum and in many cases to provide day care.
Please pick the next topic you would like to receive an education. You lack much knowledge due to so many years of liberal brain washing. This shall be quite an endeavor but YOU shall be better off for it.
I live in California and China.
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Oh, and I did teach math among other things. I was what is called a cross-categorical instructor in an alternative high school. I also taught GED preparation classes at the community college and in a program run by the Housing Authority. In these settings I worked with the population identified as "at-risk" -- victims of poverty, homelessness, and disenfranchisement. The bulk of my teaching career was in elementary exceptional children's education, however. My areas of EC certification were severe emotional handicap and conduct disorder.
I left education nearly two decades ago to work in mental health. I was a high-risk intervention counselor and a community support services coordinator -- sort of the mental health equivalent of an EMT. I'm currently a case manager with a mental health and substance abuse counseling agency. I work in psychosocial rehabilitation, family preservation services, and in general link people with needs to resources that can provide them the tools they need to overcome their circumstances. A teach them to fish rather than give them a fish approach.
What line of work are you in?
As for furthering my education, if you cruise through my LJ I'm sure you'll find other topics on which we disagree.
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You said:
"Percentage of resources invested is a more accurate measure of commitment than absolute dollars. Someone investing 30% of all they have available is more committed to the outcome than someone chipping in a mere 3%.
Oh, and I did teach math among other things...."
Can't you see that you arrive at the same issue as I previously stated? Country A chipping in 3% to arrive at the same $ value would only mean that country A has more total resources than Country B that requires 30% to equal the same $ value. I would much rather live in Country A than Country B. Country A is "richer".
You don't need to describe your background. It was rather apparent from your initial post. You've never been an entrepreneur nor do you understand how a job is created. You would prefer to make laws affecting others and in areas you have little understanding. You believe in "feel good" laws and regulations that have devastating effects (cure is worse than the disease). And then, you cannot understand why things are not better, and the only possible reason someone like you can fathom as to why things are not better is that not enough money thrown at the problem.
You are a typical confused liberal.
About me, I'm a trader focusing on macro economics and commodities. My job is to die sect which governments are implementing poor social and monetary policy and make my bets on how that will affect their economies. In summary, my job is to predict which countries will thrive and which will falter.
Reply
You can not say that a dollar has the same buying power in every city and nation in the world. If you are going to compare investments and values you must provide context, and you must factor for differentials, otherwise the numbers are meaningless. If you standardize you measures -- for example calculate the amount invested in terms of how many days' labor at the average wage in the local economy -- you will discover that the US invests far less in education than other nations. In terms of dollars, India spends a fraction what we do on education, but in terms of percentage of the nation's resources, America spends far less. Which of them has the more dynamic economy?
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Data is gathered using the local currency and then using a purchasing power parity conversion (the very short explanation is that it is like an exchange rate) to arrive at a USD $ value for comparative purposes (OR ELSE WE COULD NEVER MAKE A COMPARISON.) As such, the USA ranks in the top 5 in the world in primary school per pupil spending.
Makes sense?
It's time to get your education rolling. You've been in the dark for far too long and people like you have caused much damage to the USA.
Your homework:
1.) If black people are so poor and living in blighted urban areas, why don't they move? What's keeping them in an area where they can't find a job? Why do black/certain minorities consistently vote Democratic?
2.) Minimum wage - good or bad? How is a wage rate defined?
3.) Why are health care/higher education costs so high? One can state that it is a necessity but so are food, clothing, and in many parts of the country, a car. But the costs of those goods do not explode.... BTW, in California today, the University of California system stated that they intend to raise tuition rates by 8% but student loans will be increased to cover this amount. What makes it possible?
4.) What is wealth? Can the government create wealth? What is money? What is the purpose of money? What are taxes? What do taxes represent?
5.) Given our every increasing levels of productivity in agriculture, labor, suffice to say, all areas, why would something cost more now than it did 10, 20, or more years ago? What does the price of gold represent?
Do not attempt to answer these question using cliche answer like "discrimination" or "... blame the Right." Think long and think hard. Always look for exceptions and attempt to explain them. In fact, do research. And because you are a liberal, most importantly, USE YOUR BRAIN AND NOT YOUR HEART!
Take at least a week or longer to answer... After you fully answer these question, you'll probably be the first in line to join the Tea Party. You will see how much harm Democrats (and Republicans) have caused this country.
This is the start of your journey to enlightenment. The Matrix reference: Congrats, you have chosen the red pill. Now you will see how deep the rabbit holes goes... After your journey is complete, you will no wonder why this government program doesn't work, why spending so much money on XYZ does work, etc.
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