THIS! Just this. Because yeah, they ruined three years of character building in two episodes, and this is the first time I rather disliked Dean and he's my favorite character, so that says it all. R.I.P. Castiel.
Cas has always been that sympathetic character, learning humanity from his interactions with Sam and Dean. Yet the one time Cas needed help, someone to guide him toward the right path, he was given no support.
It was 'your plan is wrong, therefore you're wrong.' Not once did Dean ever say "let's sit down and talk about this. Let's find another way." I mean, yes, opening purgatory was a bad, bad plan, but he was trying to save Earth from destruction. I have to agree with this. Dean has become a douchebag this season. It's like Dean has free will, Dean knows all, Dean knows what's right for everybody, Dean's never wrong. What gave him the right to wipe Lisa and Ben's memories? I found that both sexist and patronizing. It makes me wish that Cass had wiped them out in the end, because really Dean became a jerk to him
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The wiping of the memories was a tough choice. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I think Dean did it to keep Ben and Lisa from experiencing pain to allow them to go on with heir lives. But that wasn't his choice to be made.
I really did feel bad for him, they were one of the few things that gave him a sliver of a normal life and I understand the reason, but I'm not sure if was the proper one to make. I don't know if wiping their memories keeps them safer at all, but maybe a chance of at happiness?? Again, I'm not sure.
I'm pretty okay with wiping their memories. After all, Ben hardly needed to remember how his mother almost died, or how he himself killed several demons. If he'd remembered, he would just become another Dean, or a kid with a lot of baggage. This way he has a chance to live a normal life. And Lisa doesn't have to remember that she was possessed and almost killed her own son.
True. As I said, I'm not sure. Dean had all of their memories of him wiped, than again I saw mirrors of what Ben might become when he was holding that shotgun.
Well, it was Cas' own decision not to ask for advice. How did the conversation go?
Cas: Where were you when I needed you? Dean: I was right here. Where were you?
He didn't go to Dean because he wanted to protect him. But then pride got in the way, just like with Sam. Just like Sam, Cas started to think he knew better.
I don't see any character assassination. Dean tried to talk some sense into him, even after he found out that Cas has been spying on them for who knows how long, he tried to tell him it was the wrong way to do, that when a problem like that presented itself, they dealt with it, together, but by then, Cas was committed to his plan with no way out.
The whole thing started with a good intention - but a road to hell is paved with them. So, for me, Cas and Sam's situation was no different. They both should've known better, but when they finally turned to Dean, they were so deep in their lies that he couldn't trust them anymore.
The point is the writers decided to take a sympathetic character that was a fan favorite and turned him into a bad guy for no other reason than to be 'edgy'. As you said, Sam and Cass both made horrible choices, but Sam was always given a free pass
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Honestly, I don't see Dean as a hypocrite. How did the conversation go?
Dean: We can FIX this, Cas! Cas: There is nothing TO fix, Dean!
Seriously, how many times should Dean have tried? He tried in the circle, he tried again in the house. When Cas refused to listen to reason, Dean ASKED him not to do it, as a brother. How is that hypocritical?
And then, Crowley, Castiel's partner in crime, kidnapped Lisa and Ben. With that, all bets were off because Dean really didn't have any reason to believe Cas knew nothing about it.
I think that if Crowley hadn't done that, Dean wouldn't have given up on Cas but that was the last straw. And then it just kept piling up and up and up.
He tried asking after trapping Cas in the circle you mean, that's like holding a gun to a person's head and saying 'let's talk'.
How many times has Cas saved Dean? Crowley has Ben and Lisa kidnapped, not Cas.
I'm not saying that Cas is totally innocent, I'm saying is if his so-called family would have tried to listen more, things might have been avoided.
And we're coming back to my main complaint that I think you're missing. I'm ticked that the writers went this direction. They didn't have to and choose this angle.
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It was 'your plan is wrong, therefore you're wrong.' Not once did Dean ever say "let's sit down and talk about this. Let's find another way." I mean, yes, opening purgatory was a bad, bad plan, but he was trying to save Earth from destruction. I have to agree with this. Dean has become a douchebag this season. It's like Dean has free will, Dean knows all, Dean knows what's right for everybody, Dean's never wrong. What gave him the right to wipe Lisa and Ben's memories? I found that both sexist and patronizing. It makes me wish that Cass had wiped them out in the end, because really Dean became a jerk to him ( ... )
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I really did feel bad for him, they were one of the few things that gave him a sliver of a normal life and I understand the reason, but I'm not sure if was the proper one to make. I don't know if wiping their memories keeps them safer at all, but maybe a chance of at happiness?? Again, I'm not sure.
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Why do I love love such angsty show?
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Cas: Where were you when I needed you?
Dean: I was right here. Where were you?
He didn't go to Dean because he wanted to protect him. But then pride got in the way, just like with Sam. Just like Sam, Cas started to think he knew better.
I don't see any character assassination. Dean tried to talk some sense into him, even after he found out that Cas has been spying on them for who knows how long, he tried to tell him it was the wrong way to do, that when a problem like that presented itself, they dealt with it, together, but by then, Cas was committed to his plan with no way out.
The whole thing started with a good intention - but a road to hell is paved with them. So, for me, Cas and Sam's situation was no different. They both should've known better, but when they finally turned to Dean, they were so deep in their lies that he couldn't trust them anymore.
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Dean: We can FIX this, Cas!
Cas: There is nothing TO fix, Dean!
Seriously, how many times should Dean have tried? He tried in the circle, he tried again in the house. When Cas refused to listen to reason, Dean ASKED him not to do it, as a brother. How is that hypocritical?
And then, Crowley, Castiel's partner in crime, kidnapped Lisa and Ben. With that, all bets were off because Dean really didn't have any reason to believe Cas knew nothing about it.
I think that if Crowley hadn't done that, Dean wouldn't have given up on Cas but that was the last straw. And then it just kept piling up and up and up.
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How many times has Cas saved Dean? Crowley has Ben and Lisa kidnapped, not Cas.
I'm not saying that Cas is totally innocent, I'm saying is if his so-called family would have tried to listen more, things might have been avoided.
And we're coming back to my main complaint that I think you're missing. I'm ticked that the writers went this direction. They didn't have to and choose this angle.
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On a more fun note, that icon positively ROCKS.
its so much fun! It's snurchble with the maker's credit.
I'm going to see Misha at Dragon Con. Can't wait! (Someone named Joe will be there, too) :-P
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