Egalitarianism
Egalitarianism (derived from the French word égal, meaning equal or level) is the moral doctrine that equality ought to prevail in society. Ultimately, it may refer to any belief that emphasizes some form of equality between morally-significant beings (usually meaning humans, but sometimes expanded to include animals as well). Such views hold that political, economic, social, or civil equality should prevail throughout human society. One can best understand various types of egalitarianism by asking, "Who is supposed to be equal?" and "In what respect are they supposed to be equal?"(Wikipedia)
The following list was edited from Sara’s post.
http://bitingbeaver.blogspot.com/2006/10/repost-of-old-favorite.html
The Rapist Checklist
Some things to remember...
1. You are a rapist if you get a girl drunk and have sex with her.
(You mean pour alcohol down their throat, and why use girl, can't all people get drunk/raped?)
2. You are a rapist if you find a drunk girl and have sex with her.
(An incapacitated person should not be taken advantage of but there are many level of being drunk. Some of which the other person might not even notice.)
3. You are a rapist if you get yourself drunk and have sex with her. Your drunkenness is no excuse.
(If you get drunk and the other person is willing, than by point 1 doesn't that mean you're the one getting raped, these rules conflict.)
4. If you are BOTH drunk you may still be a rapist.
(To wrongs don't make a right but by rule one both parties are rapists)
5. If she's alternating between puking her guts out and passing out in the bed then you're a rapist.
Yep, same if the "she" has a PENIS!
6. If she's sleeping and you have sex with her you're a rapist.
(See point 5.)
7. If she's unconscious and you have sex with her then you're a rapist.
(Wow this is redundant.)
8. If she's taking sleeping pills and doesn’t wake up when you have sex with her then you’re a rapist.
(Hi I'm Captain Redundant of the Repeating Squad!)
9. If she is incapacitated in any way and unable to say 'Yes' then you're a rapist.
(Well, so much for needing the first 8 fucking rules, that seems to cover it all!)
10. If you drug her then you're a rapist.
(Alcohol is not a drug? Please be more creative or your never pass feminatzism 101.)
11. If you find a drugged girl and have sex with her then you're a rapist.
(You put your one rule in, you put your one rule out, you put your one rule in and write it all about!)
12. If you don't bother to ask her permission and she says neither 'Yes' or 'No' then you could be a rapist.
(Yes, even if the her had one of them peni.)
13. You are a rapist if you 'nag' her for sex. Because you manage to ply an eventual 'yes' from a weary victim doesn't mean it's not rape. You are a rapist.
(Does the word nag imply being stomped by a horse, or do you really find women to be that feeble minded. Consent if consent, if they change their mind midway then you should stop, but yes means yes unless there is blatant force. Begging for sex is pathetic, but it does not deserve a prison term.)
14. You are a rapist if you try to circumvent her "No" by talking her into it. She's not playing hard to get, and, even if she IS it's not YOUR responsibility to 'get' her. You're still a rapist.
(So even when a person is enticing you to have sex with them in a playful manner and you 'get' them you have raped them anyways? You should stop at the first no, but if they wanted you to pursue it more and in fact wanted sex and then had sex with you then according to you they are now a consensual rapist?)
15. You are a rapist if you manipulate her into sex when she doesn't otherwise want it. If you say, "If you loved me you’d do X" then you're a rapist. If you say, "All the other kids are doing it!" then you're a rapist.
(You an asshole and the other person is weak minded, to fix the problem you make sure everyone respects themselves. This shit is just plain demeaning.)
16. If you threaten her, or act in a way that SHE thinks you're threatening her then you're a rapist. If you puff up and get loud and frustrated while trying to 'talk' her into sex then you're a rapist.
(If you threaten someone into sex you are a rapists.)
17. You are a rapist if you don't immediately get your hands off of her when she says 'no'. You are a rapist if you take your hands off of her and then put them back ON her after 10 minutes and she eventually 'gives in' to this tactic.
(If someone stops when you say no but then continues later please ask them to leave or do so yourself. You don't walk around in bad neighborhoods alone at night with fistfuls of cash and you do not remain passive and let yourself be raped by some piece of scum.)
18. You are a rapist if you won't let her sleep peacefully without waking her every 15 minutes asking her for sex. Sleep depravation is a form of torture and YOU are a rapist.
(No one deserves to be raped, no one deserves to be tortured, kick the asshole out of bed and find someone better.)
19. If you're necking with her and you're naked and you've already gone down on her and she says 'No' to sex with you and you have sex with her anyway then you're a rapist.
(True, at any point anyone can stop sex and has every right to, be they a person of any gender.)
20. If you're engaged in intercourse and she says 'No' at ANY point and you don't immediately stop then you're a rapist.
(See above)
21. If she said "Yes" to sex with a condom and that condom breaks and you proceed anyway then you're a rapist.
(See above)
22. If she picked you up at a bar looking for sex and then decides that she doesn't WANT sex and you continue then you're a rapist.
(See above, again, and again, and again.)
23. If she changes her mind at ANY point for ANY reason and you don't immediately back off or you try to talk her into it and get sex anyway then you're a rapist.
(Please condense your argument)
24. If you don't hit her and she says 'No' you're still a rapist.
(True)
25. If you don't have a knife or a gun or a garrote and she says 'No' then you're still a rapist.
(True, why don't we just use the word harm to kill some of this redundancy)
26. If you're a friend of hers you can still be a rapist.
(True)
27. If you had sex with her the night before but she doesn't want morning sex and you pressure her for it anyway then you're a rapist.
(True)
28. If you're her husband you can still be a rapist.
(True)
29. If it's your wedding night and she doesn't WANT to have sex with you and you force or coerce her anyway then you're a rapist.
(True, but if either person doesn't want sex on their wedding night I would think that is a sign the marriage is not off to a good start.)
30. If she's had sex with you hundreds of times before but doesn't want to on the 101st time then you're a rapist.
(True)
31. If you penetrate her anally, orally or digitally against her will then YOU my friend, are ALSO a rapist.
(True, but you just encouraged rape according to rule 47.)
32. Women do not owe you sex.
(True, unless they tell you the do.)
33. Buying her dinner does not entitle you to sex.
(True)
34. Paying her mortgage does not entitle you to sex.
(True)
35. Buying her clothing does not entitle you to sex.
(Please just say giving gifts and end the horror!)
36. Buying her lingerie does not entitle you to sex. It also doesn't mean that she has any obligation to wear that lingerie around you.
(True)
37. Spending any amount of money on her does not, ever, entitle you to sex.
(I give up, you win, we need 700 rules that mean the exact same thing because the men who read this list cannot comprehend generalities, as they are mere beasts.)
38. Seeing her legs or cleavage does not entitle you to sex.
(Nope, and I'm glad you told me because you've just opened my eyes. This list is becoming frustrating.)
39. If she 'turns you on' you're not entitled to sex.
(True, the same goes for animals and inanimate objects. People inadvertently turn people on constantly.)
40. If she has fucked every man in a 10 square mile radius and she doesn't want to fuck you and you have sex with her anyway, then you're a rapist.
(True, and this person probably has at least one social disease.)
41. Her clothing is not a reason for you to rape her. Her LACK of clothing is no reason to rape her. If she's wearing a thong and pasties you STILL have no right to rape her.
(True, I wish I didn't have to wear clothes.)
42. If she's a prostitute and she says "No" then you're a rapist.
(True, but this person is liable for bait and switch and should be taken to small claims court.)
43. If she's a stripper and she says "No" then you're a rapist. Likewise, if she's a stripper and she's been rubbing against your dick all night long and you follow her to her car and have sex with her against her will then you are ALSO a rapist.
(True, we have covered the fact that rape is forced sex.)
44. If you watch a woman being raped without calling the authorities then you're as bad as a rapist and you may also be a rapist yourself.
(False, you are a weak person, but you did not commit rape. Especially if you walk past an ally and just see it occur, people do the same thing with muggings and murders. If you are however there with the rapist, there explicitly to watch, then I agree.)
45. If you don't fight rape then you accept rape.
(No, I don't actively fight cancer, terrorism, aids, or nuclear weapons but I do not support any of them.)
46. If you don't believe a woman when she says she was raped then you're encouraging rape.
(No, if this person has been raped I am doing them a disservice, but if this person hasn't been then I am right and they are doing an extraordinarily horrible thing.)
47. If you choose to remain friends with a man who raped a woman you are encouraging rape.
(No, you have bad taste in friends. No one is perfect, they should be punished for their crime, but saying they should be completely ostracized from society only exacerbates the situation.
48. If you confess to the authorities that you raped a woman it does not exonerate you. You are not suddenly a model of good behavior.
(True, but I do value repentance on some level. Recognizing you did something wrong AND admitting it is better than the alternative.)
49. If you ‘only’ raped one woman, you’re STILL a rapist.
(Yes, just not a serial rapist.)
50. You cannot tell who is a rapist by the way they look. Rapists are your friends, your brothers, your fathers and you won't know it.
(Also your mothers, and sisters, age, appearance, ethnicity and SEX are all inconsequential.)
51. Do not get frustrated with a woman if she doesn't trust you. SHE already knows that rapists don't wear signs on their foreheads. Something you think is innocuous SHE may find terrifying.
(True is someone seems to judge you as a sexual threat try not to get frustrated. If this hurts your feeling particularly try to discuss it or leave.)
If you have made it this far you may have noticed my severe distaste for this list. I have issues with this on many levels. The fact that this list is incredibly redundant is intentional; it serves to imply stupidity in the intended reader. In this case it seems clear the target is the rapist, which is unequivocally, without a doubt, assuredly, certainly, definitely a male.(redundancy!)
Also, it seems from my viewpoint that women are painted as easily coerced and weak. For many of the items on this list I would expect that one should remove themselves from the situation. Everyone is capable of being talked into stupid things, including doing something you don’t want to do. You can’t expect the other person to be nice, take you own action. Once again this is just my opinion but these rules seemed to demean women.
In general I believe this list does more to hurt the cause of egalitarianists than to further their goals. This list is written from an angry mindset with a particularly sexist tone. It is true that more women seem to be raped then men, however when a man is raped the situation is view differently. Just look at all the female teacher high school sex scandals. In every case you hear men and some women say that the young boys were stupid for coming forth, however this is not the case when a male teacher rapes a young girl. By targeting this list towards male rapists you are continuing to allow this sort of sexist ignorance to continue and by rules 45 you accept male rape by not actively fighting it in this list. In fact I think this list actively ignored the possibility of males being raped, weather it be by other males or by females.
In short, this list is really, really ignorant.
The following list was edited from Sara’s post.
http://bitingbeaver.blogspot.com/2006/10/repost-of-old-favorite.html
The Rapist Checklist
Some things to remember...
1. You are a rapist if you get a girl drunk and have sex with her.
(You mean pour alcohol down their throat, and why use girl, can't all people get drunk/raped?)
2. You are a rapist if you find a drunk girl and have sex with her.
(An incapacitated person should not be taken advantage of but there are many level of being drunk. Some of which the other person might not even notice.)
3. You are a rapist if you get yourself drunk and have sex with her. Your drunkenness is no excuse.
(If you get drunk and the other person is willing, than by point 1 doesn't that mean you're the one getting raped, these rules conflict.)
4. If you are BOTH drunk you may still be a rapist.
(To wrongs don't make a right but by rule one both parties are rapists)
5. If she's alternating between puking her guts out and passing out in the bed then you're a rapist.
Yep, same if the "she" has a PENIS!
6. If she's sleeping and you have sex with her you're a rapist.
(See point 5.)
7. If she's unconscious and you have sex with her then you're a rapist.
(Wow this is redundant.)
8. If she's taking sleeping pills and doesn’t wake up when you have sex with her then you’re a rapist.
(Hi I'm Captain Redundant of the Repeating Squad!)
9. If she is incapacitated in any way and unable to say 'Yes' then you're a rapist.
(Well, so much for needing the first 8 fucking rules, that seems to cover it all!)
10. If you drug her then you're a rapist.
(Alcohol is not a drug? Please be more creative or your never pass feminatzism 101.)
11. If you find a drugged girl and have sex with her then you're a rapist.
(You put your one rule in, you put your one rule out, you put your one rule in and write it all about!)
12. If you don't bother to ask her permission and she says neither 'Yes' or 'No' then you could be a rapist.
(Yes, even if the her had one of them peni.)
13. You are a rapist if you 'nag' her for sex. Because you manage to ply an eventual 'yes' from a weary victim doesn't mean it's not rape. You are a rapist.
(Does the word nag imply being stomped by a horse, or do you really find women to be that feeble minded. Consent if consent, if they change their mind midway then you should stop, but yes means yes unless there is blatant force. Begging for sex is pathetic, but it does not deserve a prison term.)
14. You are a rapist if you try to circumvent her "No" by talking her into it. She's not playing hard to get, and, even if she IS it's not YOUR responsibility to 'get' her. You're still a rapist.
(So even when a person is enticing you to have sex with them in a playful manner and you 'get' them you have raped them anyways? You should stop at the first no, but if they wanted you to pursue it more and in fact wanted sex and then had sex with you then according to you they are now a consensual rapist?)
15. You are a rapist if you manipulate her into sex when she doesn't otherwise want it. If you say, "If you loved me you’d do X" then you're a rapist. If you say, "All the other kids are doing it!" then you're a rapist.
(You an asshole and the other person is weak minded, to fix the problem you make sure everyone respects themselves. This shit is just plain demeaning.)
16. If you threaten her, or act in a way that SHE thinks you're threatening her then you're a rapist. If you puff up and get loud and frustrated while trying to 'talk' her into sex then you're a rapist.
(If you threaten someone into sex you are a rapists.)
17. You are a rapist if you don't immediately get your hands off of her when she says 'no'. You are a rapist if you take your hands off of her and then put them back ON her after 10 minutes and she eventually 'gives in' to this tactic.
(If someone stops when you say no but then continues later please ask them to leave or do so yourself. You don't walk around in bad neighborhoods alone at night with fistfuls of cash and you do not remain passive and let yourself be raped by some piece of scum.)
18. You are a rapist if you won't let her sleep peacefully without waking her every 15 minutes asking her for sex. Sleep depravation is a form of torture and YOU are a rapist.
(No one deserves to be raped, no one deserves to be tortured, kick the asshole out of bed and find someone better.)
19. If you're necking with her and you're naked and you've already gone down on her and she says 'No' to sex with you and you have sex with her anyway then you're a rapist.
(True, at any point anyone can stop sex and has every right to, be they a person of any gender.)
20. If you're engaged in intercourse and she says 'No' at ANY point and you don't immediately stop then you're a rapist.
(See above)
21. If she said "Yes" to sex with a condom and that condom breaks and you proceed anyway then you're a rapist.
(See above)
22. If she picked you up at a bar looking for sex and then decides that she doesn't WANT sex and you continue then you're a rapist.
(See above, again, and again, and again.)
23. If she changes her mind at ANY point for ANY reason and you don't immediately back off or you try to talk her into it and get sex anyway then you're a rapist.
(Please condense your argument)
24. If you don't hit her and she says 'No' you're still a rapist.
(True)
25. If you don't have a knife or a gun or a garrote and she says 'No' then you're still a rapist.
(True, why don't we just use the word harm to kill some of this redundancy)
26. If you're a friend of hers you can still be a rapist.
(True)
27. If you had sex with her the night before but she doesn't want morning sex and you pressure her for it anyway then you're a rapist.
(True)
28. If you're her husband you can still be a rapist.
(True)
29. If it's your wedding night and she doesn't WANT to have sex with you and you force or coerce her anyway then you're a rapist.
(True, but if either person doesn't want sex on their wedding night I would think that is a sign the marriage is not off to a good start.)
30. If she's had sex with you hundreds of times before but doesn't want to on the 101st time then you're a rapist.
(True)
31. If you penetrate her anally, orally or digitally against her will then YOU my friend, are ALSO a rapist.
(True, but you just encouraged rape according to rule 47.)
32. Women do not owe you sex.
(True, unless they tell you the do.)
33. Buying her dinner does not entitle you to sex.
(True)
34. Paying her mortgage does not entitle you to sex.
(True)
35. Buying her clothing does not entitle you to sex.
(Please just say giving gifts and end the horror!)
36. Buying her lingerie does not entitle you to sex. It also doesn't mean that she has any obligation to wear that lingerie around you.
(True)
37. Spending any amount of money on her does not, ever, entitle you to sex.
(I give up, you win, we need 700 rules that mean the exact same thing because the men who read this list cannot comprehend generalities, as they are mere beasts.)
38. Seeing her legs or cleavage does not entitle you to sex.
(Nope, and I'm glad you told me because you've just opened my eyes. This list is becoming frustrating.)
39. If she 'turns you on' you're not entitled to sex.
(True, the same goes for animals and inanimate objects. People inadvertently turn people on constantly.)
40. If she has fucked every man in a 10 square mile radius and she doesn't want to fuck you and you have sex with her anyway, then you're a rapist.
(True, and this person probably has at least one social disease.)
41. Her clothing is not a reason for you to rape her. Her LACK of clothing is no reason to rape her. If she's wearing a thong and pasties you STILL have no right to rape her.
(True, I wish I didn't have to wear clothes.)
42. If she's a prostitute and she says "No" then you're a rapist.
(True, but this person is liable for bait and switch and should be taken to small claims court.)
43. If she's a stripper and she says "No" then you're a rapist. Likewise, if she's a stripper and she's been rubbing against your dick all night long and you follow her to her car and have sex with her against her will then you are ALSO a rapist.
(True, we have covered the fact that rape is forced sex.)
44. If you watch a woman being raped without calling the authorities then you're as bad as a rapist and you may also be a rapist yourself.
(False, you are a weak person, but you did not commit rape. Especially if you walk past an ally and just see it occur, people do the same thing with muggings and murders. If you are however there with the rapist, there explicitly to watch, then I agree.)
45. If you don't fight rape then you accept rape.
(No, I don't actively fight cancer, terrorism, aids, or nuclear weapons but I do not support any of them.)
46. If you don't believe a woman when she says she was raped then you're encouraging rape.
(No, if this person has been raped I am doing them a disservice, but if this person hasn't been then I am right and they are doing an extraordinarily horrible thing.)
47. If you choose to remain friends with a man who raped a woman you are encouraging rape.
(No, you have bad taste in friends. No one is perfect, they should be punished for their crime, but saying they should be completely ostracized from society only exacerbates the situation.
48. If you confess to the authorities that you raped a woman it does not exonerate you. You are not suddenly a model of good behavior.
(True, but I do value repentance on some level. Recognizing you did something wrong AND admitting it is better than the alternative.)
49. If you ‘only’ raped one woman, you’re STILL a rapist.
(Yes, just not a serial rapist.)
50. You cannot tell who is a rapist by the way they look. Rapists are your friends, your brothers, your fathers and you won't know it.
(Also your mothers, and sisters, age, appearance, ethnicity and SEX are all inconsequential.)
51. Do not get frustrated with a woman if she doesn't trust you. SHE already knows that rapists don't wear signs on their foreheads. Something you think is innocuous SHE may find terrifying.
(True is someone seems to judge you as a sexual threat try not to get frustrated. If this hurts your feeling particularly try to discuss it or leave.)
If you have made it this far you may have noticed my severe distaste for this list. I have issues with this on many levels. The fact that this list is incredibly redundant is intentional; it serves to imply stupidity in the intended reader. In this case it seems clear the target is the rapist, which is unequivocally, without a doubt, assuredly, certainly, definitely a male.(redundancy!)
Also, it seems from my viewpoint that women are painted as easily coerced and weak. For many of the items on this list I would expect that one should remove themselves from the situation. Everyone is capable of being talked into stupid things, including doing something you don’t want to do. You can’t expect the other person to be nice, take you own action. Once again this is just my opinion but these rules seemed to demean women.
In general I believe this list does more to hurt the cause of egalitarianists than to further their goals. This list is written from an angry mindset with a particularly sexist tone. It is true that more women seem to be raped then men, however when a man is raped the situation is view differently. Just look at all the female teacher high school sex scandals. In every case you hear men and some women say that the young boys were stupid for coming forth, however this is not the case when a male teacher rapes a young girl. By targeting this list towards male rapists you are continuing to allow this sort of sexist ignorance to continue and by rules 45 you accept male rape by not actively fighting it in this list. In fact I think this list actively ignored the possibility of males being raped, weather it be by other males or by females.
In short, this list is really, really ignorant.