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silencefound September 26 2009, 19:01:58 UTC
interesting story but honestly I'm kinda sick of Adam always being made into some love starved jackass who would let Kris or anyone else do whatever they wanted to him.

Why is Adam always the slave, drug addict, prostitute, whatever? Why do the guys always get to smack him around?

This isn't directly related to your fic but in general. It's getting redundant and overdone IMO.

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lilymajolis September 26 2009, 21:05:23 UTC
You make an interesting point, silencefound. (And BTW, this fic is well-written)
It seems that people are drawn to explore the vulnerable side of a person who in RL expresses so much public self-confidence and courage, but has also been honest about his insecurities. Many people have an internal conflict between 'public self' and 'private self'. Making Adam into a submissive or an addict might be a way for people to work through their own feelings of insecurity/fearfulness in a safe (second-hand) way. In many of these types of stories Adam ultimately does gain some self-empowerment. This would be the best case scenario, right? That a person is comfortable enough to be true to their real self. But that's a growth process. Again, writing/reading about Adam going through that conflict might be a way for people to process something that we all experience to some extent.
Just IMO, and sorry to go all Psych101 on this comment. But you really made me think... so thanks for that! :)

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silencefound September 26 2009, 21:11:24 UTC
I agree that Adam displays a lot of self confidence and courage and that's been hard earned IMO and I just often times feel that by writing him as weak or needy or even love starved it invalidates all the work that he's put into becoming the person he is today.

I don't usually see Adam gaining self empowerment in these stories through his own strength but rather by Kris deening to "love him" like it's some gift or sacrifice that Kris would dare love someone like Adam.

Perhaps it's just that I've read so many fics with this theme that it's starting to get to me LOL.

I enjoy reading the angst and the struggle... I guess for once I'd like to see it be Kris who is the weak one begging for Adam to love him.

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tahsha13 September 26 2009, 21:41:25 UTC
I think a lot of people see a certain vulnerability in Adam, especially when it comes to love. He said he spent most of his early 20s searching for love and has multiple experiences with unrequited love. I think its interesting to take that vulnerability and amplify it. I don't think that has a lot to do with this fic however ( ... )

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dreamsofspike September 27 2009, 06:14:47 UTC
i agree, i see a lot of vulnerability in him and i love exploring that... in all my fandoms i'm drawn to the characters in whom i see a buried/secret vulnerability, and in my dark fics, i tend to draw that out and explore it... i haven't seen that much dark fic, either, i wish there was more, but it's easy to skip the ones you don't like *shrugs*

i'm enjoying writing this story for you, and hope you continue to like it :P *Hugs*

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lilymajolis September 26 2009, 23:16:16 UTC
I agree! Well, as they say, sometimes if you want something done right, you've got to do it yourself. Consider that a prompt, bb :)

Now, I've got to get back to working on my circus!fic where Kris is an evil clown who beats the crap out of Adam, his trained monkey...
j/k!

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isolde13 September 27 2009, 02:38:06 UTC
Now, you know I love you, so don't take this the wrong way, but this is really just a case of 'don't read if you don't like.' This is the way of fandom (I've been in many so I know) - someone always becomes the whipping boy, the one that gets beaten, raped, abused, emotionally scarred, etc ( ... )

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dreamsofspike September 27 2009, 06:13:08 UTC
well said, hon :) *Hugs*

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isolde13 September 29 2009, 13:47:12 UTC
Thanks. I was hoping you didn't mind me just jumping in - I feel I had to defend your honor. lol.

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dreamsofspike October 2 2009, 18:05:07 UTC
mind? it's so much appreciated, love! :) *hugs*

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mylittlehottie September 27 2009, 05:16:32 UTC
i guess it depends on which direction that you are coming from. as a kris fan from the start, (don't worry, i have become a huge adam fan as well) it sometimes makes me crazy, because it seems to me that the majority of fics present adam as completely together and kris as being less successful as well as weak and needy. that said, it is just fiction!

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dreamsofspike September 27 2009, 06:10:58 UTC
lol yeah i think it totally depends on your perspective, you're right... everyone likes what they like and if they don't like something, it's easy to scroll past it and find something they *do* like... :)

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dreamsofspike September 27 2009, 06:16:18 UTC
i can see this, and i know some people would rather read kris as the vulnerable one, but that's just not what i like to write *shrugs* this was also written for a specific prompt, for the charity auction, and therefore i'm writing what was paid for, you know? (not that i wouldn't write it anyway, because this type of fic is *totally* my thing -- i'm sorry if it's not yours :P)

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dreamsofspike September 27 2009, 06:17:25 UTC
thanx, hon, glad you find it well written, and that's a very good explanation for why people enjoy these types of stories... there are a lot of varying reasons, actually :P but yeah, i kinda feel like, to each their own -- and this is "my own" :P

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lilymajolis September 27 2009, 06:26:46 UTC
Yes, exactly! That's why it's been such a blast reading so much kradam fic- the wildly different ways that people find to play with these boys never ceases to amaze me. And I'll read pretty much any weird idea as long as it's written well- LOL!
Looking forward to the next part :)

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dreamsofspike October 2 2009, 18:05:35 UTC
thanx, love... next part's up now :) *Hugs*

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