Nietzsche 3

Dec 09, 2008 08:30

OK, now to the "will to ignorance" thing. Right in the preface Nietzsche says that philosophical dogmatizing is a "noble childishness," and he means "dogmatizing" as an insult but "noble" as a compliment. This is a tension in Nietzsche. On the one hand he wants us to grow up and recognize ourselves as the creators of our truths, and so take ( Read more... )

philosophy, relativism, nietzsche, plato

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dubdobdee December 9 2008, 19:23:51 UTC
Nietzsche seems to have no sense - at least when he's discussing "truth" - of the world being made up of diverse social activities in which people participate.

as i started speculating in Nietzsche 4, i think FN pretty clearly believes the world is made up by diverse "types" -- at the very least aristocrats versus the herd, but he doesn't think of the latter as uniform and all of a kind (he'd sharply distinguish between "northern herd" and mediterranean herd"; or '"jewish herd" and "buddhist herd")

partly these "types" are variegated biological-temperamental (the biology the given); and i think within the arts he is moving towards a "world... made up of diverse [artistic] activities"; ie that poet-think and dancetune-think do not overlap especially

but no, he doesn't seem to distinguish the types by working backwards from the material result of their practice, i don't think -- where what you do comes first and the shape of your belief-system follows (so it's not actually backwards, it just seems it compared to the way others think)

(i associate this way of thinking with marx and materialism, actually; but my version of marx is a pragmatist's version i suspect!)

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dubdobdee December 13 2008, 08:46:51 UTC
i think the drive toward the biological connected to 'herd' and related metaphors (?) has as much to do with a drive toward individual particularity as with types. and despite the opposition of 'herd' to more noble classes (which anyway gets complicated in the 'genealogy' by his deliberate alternation of opposed categories from one essay to the next), don't forget that often 'herd' gets used as a way to reassert that every person, no matter how individual or how noble, owes their survival to their species, as an animal does, and accordingly (?) is often at the mercy of animal drives of their own and of others which are dumber or smarter (because 'older') than their 'higher' drives.

-j

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dubdobdee December 13 2008, 10:37:09 UTC
(which j is this? belgian j or k***b**n?)

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koganbot December 13 2008, 13:56:56 UTC
Ha! It could be either! In fact, one of them (belgian j) emailed me a brief question on the Nietzsche posts yesterday, so when this morning I saw that these new posts had come in over the transom last night that's who I assumed these were from. However, he also tossed in a couple of posts at The Authority To Teach (Department Of Dilettante Research), one of which contains info that makes it certain that he is the Artist Formerly Known As Mooxyjoo.

(By the way, I've still not had time to think about or comment on your and his recent posts. Country Music Critics Poll is due in 38 hours and I'm busy cramming. But I'll try to take a mental health break from that at some point today and do some of this.)

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